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Offline docem

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orc BMR question
« on: January 10, 2009, 03:09:01 PM »
I am part way through writing a spreadsheet for making NPCs & have struck a problem with the Orcs BMR. They have a BMR of 16 [stat bonus of 1'] meaning base of 15. Their description does not mention Blazing Speed.
1)   are they meant to have Blazing Speed?
2)   do they have a racial bonus to BMR of +5?
3)   am I missing something really obvious?

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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2009, 03:27:30 PM »
It is likely just a typo (after this long, I don't really remember how the BMRs for the monsters were built, tho' I do remember that some of them (like the 4 legged ones were given bonuses because of the extra legs).

Orcs are as tall as humans (say an average of 6'). this gives them base of 10', and then a stat of 75 for quickness gives them +1'. What most likely happened is that the 75 gives a +5 stat mod, and for some reason that got added the BMR as well.
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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2009, 10:04:13 PM »
I had a vague thought that may have been the case but dismissed it.
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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2009, 09:00:09 AM »
Wow... i had never noticed that...
although I haven't been using Orcs in my game...


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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2009, 03:17:23 PM »
How about the lizardman? BMR 14 [height as human base 10 & +1 for Qu75].
Seems to be 3 BMR points short.
is is a bonus for being tailed or a similar problem?
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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2009, 03:24:43 PM »
Hmmm...
*rww opens HARP book and turns to the creatures section...*


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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2009, 03:34:15 PM »
You can presume that since all of the creatures were being done at the same time (stats included), that IF there are others that seem to have discrepancies (and are not quadrupeds), then it is likely a similar problem.

What is amazing is that none of our HARP playtesters caught it, and that neither has anybody else in the approximately 4-5 years that HARP has been out....

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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2009, 03:37:24 PM »
I am extremely pedantic [to the sufferance of my players]
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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2009, 06:24:49 AM »
If we find discrepancies, should we re-do the BMR?
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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2009, 06:46:31 AM »
Up to you.  ;D

In most situations, it won't really matter all that much.
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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2009, 11:23:50 AM »
At one time there was a collection of the errata and FAQ's....

Would it be possible to set up some "stickied" topics at the top of each systems section for each individual product? Then each post could be added or edited to post known errors.   A single topic for HARP 3000 may have a post that reads: 
Incorrectly calculated BMR's - Correct BMRs listed below:
orc - 11
lizardman - 11
etc.

Similar topics could be set up for RMC, RMSS, Cyrdaon, Echoes, etc. with the errata/FAQ being updated only by Moderators based upon proposed errata posts on the boards...
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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2009, 11:28:28 AM »
Quote from: Chosen GM - TJones67 on January 12, 2009, 11:23:50 AM
At one time there was a collection of the errata and FAQ's....

Would it be possible to set up some "stickied" topics at the top of each systems section for each individual product? Then each post could be added or edited to post known errors.   A single topic for HARP 3000 may have a post that reads: 
Incorrectly calculated BMR's - Correct BMRs listed below:
orc - 11
lizardman - 11
etc.

Similar topics could be set up for RMC, RMSS, Cyrdaon, Echoes, etc. with the errata/FAQ being updated only by Moderators based upon proposed errata posts on the boards...

That would be awesome!
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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 11:37:52 AM »
Quote from: Chosen GM - TJones67 on January 12, 2009, 11:23:50 AM
At one time there was a collection of the errata and FAQ's....

Would it be possible to set up some "stickied" topics at the top of each systems section for each individual product? Then each post could be added or edited to post known errors.   A single topic for HARP 3000 may have a post that reads: 
Incorrectly calculated BMR's - Correct BMRs listed below:
orc - 11
lizardman - 11
etc.

Similar topics could be set up for RMC, RMSS, Cyrdaon, Echoes, etc. with the errata/FAQ being updated only by Moderators based upon proposed errata posts on the boards...

Works for me -- Thom -- take this discussion to the Mods forum, and we can work out methods of maintaining uniform posting styles and so forth.  ;D
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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2009, 07:20:59 PM »
I came across this awhile ago and in my monster generator spreadsheet - rules are on the front page (on the vault - shameless plug) I have a set of rules and guildlines for calculating BMR - a lot of it drawn from discussion around the boards.

It covers humanoid, quadrupeds, wormers, flyers, gliders, multi legged and swimmers and also allows for fast and slow species.

I use it as it gives me a standard and reliable way to work out BMR .
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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2009, 08:58:56 PM »
If you can compile the BMR's that are believed to be incorrect in the text, I'll get them verified and post it into the errata page.
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Re: orc BMR question
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2009, 04:42:45 AM »
Quote from: docem on January 11, 2009, 03:37:24 PM
I am extremely pedantic
Very nice post. Had to laugh.  :D
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