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Offline markc

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Bypass landing gear
« on: July 27, 2009, 11:10:53 PM »
What do you think about having secondary reactionless drives in pace of landing gear? I would also install a secondary  power plant or maybe a 3rd very small PP to just run the "landing" R-Drive.

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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2009, 11:22:52 PM »
I think you'd want struts or structurally solid wings or something to keep it off the ground a bit so you don't kill the grass.
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2009, 05:00:16 AM »
I think it would make routine repairs more dangerous.
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2009, 05:02:05 AM »
The higher the tech level, the better it would work.  When you get to a star wars tech level or so, it's probably practical.  You'd want to use the same effect you use for hovering vehicles.
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2009, 10:12:48 AM »
Yeah, is it supposed to stay on all the time?
Or just to soften the decent until the "belly" is on the ground?
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 12:55:36 PM »
 The only time it is on is when the ship is touching down or landing. The "partially fixed" R-Dive would only point down for landing and would be tough to use in other situations. There would be computers or some sort of thing to adjust the field to match the landing surface. 

 The other thought I had was a starship landing pad that provided a field for the starship to settle on if they do not have landing gear.

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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 09:04:29 PM »
Marc, you could just make it "tunable" to focus downward, toward the planet. This way, the main drive takes care of it and you don't need something specifically for landing.

If you want a backup drive for some sort of Wave Motion Gun... well that's another thing entirely. :D
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 09:31:46 PM »
Quote from: providence13 on July 28, 2009, 09:04:29 PM
Marc, you could just make it "tunable" to focus downward, toward the planet. This way, the main drive takes care of it and you don't need something specifically for landing.

If you want a backup drive for some sort of Wave Motion Gun... well that's another thing entirely. :D

 I was thinking more of a system so that you could shut down the main drive system for repairs and still not have landing gear.
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 10:02:00 PM »
Well, in an atmosphere, you could have an ion wind Biefeld-Brown effect to float the boat...
I'm sure a capacitor/battery MHD turbine (2300)/vacuum power/casmir  etc. would have enough power for some "small" ships.
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 10:52:00 PM »
Quote from: providence13 on July 28, 2009, 10:02:00 PM
Well, in an atmosphere, you could have an ion wind Biefeld-Brown effect to float the boat...
I'm sure a capacitor/battery MHD turbine (2300)/vacuum power/casmir  etc. would have enough power for some "small" ships.

 Thanks I will pull out some other books and take a look at the numbers. Then convert them to SM:P VM or SM2:SS and SM2:AA.
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2009, 04:51:48 AM »
Quote from: providence13 on July 28, 2009, 10:12:48 AM
Yeah, is it supposed to stay on all the time?
Or just to soften the decent until the "belly" is on the ground?

Oh, that's a good point.  If you aren't relying on it to hold up the ship, then it might be more practical than landing gear.  No moving parts.  If it needs to be on when you're on the ground, though, you need something closer to zero-fault technology.
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2009, 12:45:51 PM »
 IMO if you do not have landing gear then you will damage the ship if you land it on the ground barring some special case like being able to land in fluid.
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2009, 08:04:36 PM »
Unless the hull is made for that sort of thing. Normally, landing gear are attached to something, right? If you make that inner framework part of the bottom of the hull... why not. Now unless it is pretty big... well, it might wobble like a table with one short leg. :)

But if you have the tech for it, make it a reactive hull that extrudes whatever landing gear it needs.

Take a lesson from Macross and the SDF-1. After rebuilding the alien spacecraft that fell to Earth, giving them "technologies light years ahead of our own", they engaged the then, untested, antigravity system. The ship started to lift until the antigrav generators ripped their way out of the hull! The generators were stronger than the humans remade the hull! :D
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2009, 09:12:21 PM »
Quote from: providence13 on July 29, 2009, 08:04:36 PM
Unless the hull is made for that sort of thing. Normally, landing gear are attached to something, right? If you make that inner framework part of the bottom of the hull... why not. Now unless it is pretty big... well, it might wobble like a table with one short leg. :)

But if you have the tech for it, make it a reactive hull that extrudes whatever landing gear it needs.

Take a lesson from Macross and the SDF-1. After rebuilding the alien spacecraft that fell to Earth, giving them "technologies light years ahead of our own", they engaged the then, untested, antigravity system. The ship started to lift until the antigrav generators ripped their way out of the hull! The generators were stronger than the humans remade the hull! :D

 I remember that and I think I will go back and watch a few of those old flicks when I need some inspiration.
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Re: Bypass landing gear
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2010, 04:21:27 PM »
As far as landing gear, if you are going to have your ship make contact with a planet, you would need to have some reinforcement even if such did not extend beyond the hull (such as a flat-bottomed cargo ship)

You could, however decide that your worlds put spaceports on the shore of the ocean, and you could land in the ocean, and get moved to a pier in the harbor, just like cruise and cargo ships. The only drawback is such landings would be hazardous wth extensive hull damage.

Another option is to not even land, but carry a small orbital shuttle so you can dock with a space station, or just stay in orbit, and take your shuttle down to the surface. This is what larger ships, like the Goliath large freighter and capital military vessels do.
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