Topic: Question/Discussion on Illusions Feel and Being struck

[Warl]

I have always Loved how Illusions are dealt with in RM.... I never liked the "I Disbelieve" notions of other systems... and I like how it is Spelled out how to "build" and Illusion in parts.

But A Question I have always had about Illusions pertains to the Feel Part. It discusses how the Illusion will feel real Unless some one or something Strikes it (Though an illusion can have Multiple Feels on it and thus Last longer) Or it strikes/attacks something.

My question is, What about if Some one Walks on an Illusion floor? There are Not Parameters for How much weight an Illusionary floors "Feel Sense" Can endure before being considered Struck. As is It appears a Giant could walk across the floor and it would support him....

Was this covered in any of the later works?

[yammahoper]

Use the weight rules for movement spells in spell law.  Essentially, Weight x 1.5 + 10lbs/lvl.  There are rules for what an illusion can support, but it is far less than the rule I listed.

[PhillipAEllis]

And I would suggest that doing something silly like jumping up and down, falling over, even stage diving in an empty room, etcetera would count as striking for the purposes of the illusion. It may even be that simply stamping one's feet, striking one's staff (with or without "You shall not pass!") would be enough to be counted as a strike.

[Warl]

Use the weight rules for movement spells in spell law.  Essentially, Weight x 1.5 + 10lbs/lvl.  There are rules for what an illusion can support, but it is far less than the rule I listed.

where is this weight rule for movement spells? What weight is Considered "weight"x1.5?

[VladD]

It is the weight of the caster, so a dragon might walk his own illusionary bridge, with even some of his treasure.

[PhillipAEllis]

In which case... never trust the party's Halfling illusionist.

[yammahoper]

Options: every rank in spell mastery adds 10lbs, even 50 lbs depending on how strong you want illusions to be.

have the illusion cast on something, requiring 1-10lbs per pick in the illusion.  If the object is stuck/broken (or moved?), the illusion loses a pick/is dispelled.  Finding the object would take some luck, good intuition, detect illusion spell, illusion sight, etc.

[markc]

 I thought the new version of Spell Law (RMC) said that each foot fall was considered a touch. So illusionary floors, brides ect need a lot of touches to work.
MDC

[Warl]

Basing it off the casters wait seems odd. The same power is going into the spell for a halfling as is for a Human, why would Magic discriminate like that? To me Magic was always a science. I mean a Magician Halfling casting a fire bolt doesn't get less out of the fire bolt because he is smaller?

It would seem to me that a basic spell should have the same parameters regradless of who is casting it.

[yammahoper]

Basing it off the casters wait seems odd. The same power is going into the spell for a halfling as is for a Human, why would Magic discriminate like that? To me Magic was always a science. I mean a Magician Halfling casting a fire bolt doesn't get less out of the fire bolt because he is smaller?

It would seem to me that a basic spell should have the same parameters regradless of who is casting it.

yep.  all part and parcel of the original design being modular and plug and play, I'm sure.  RM Illusionist remain awesome in concept, extremely messy in execution.  The mental illusionist in Mentalism Companion has a more complete rule set.

[Warl]

Mentalism companion eh? Was that RMSS/RMFRP

I think I will go with a standard 200Lbs +10lbs per level... with maybe the option of adding 50Lbs using one of the extra senses options

[yammahoper]

The Mental Illusionist is called Enchanter as a RM profession.  It is an RMMSS/FRP prof found in Mentalism Companion.  Enchanters use Seeming Magic, making other objects seem to be something else.  The list are cool and the base rules make more sense.  The prof is well designed.  It allows for some dramatic play.  A good sense of flair would help.

[Peter R]

And I would suggest that doing something silly like jumping up and down, falling over, even stage diving in an empty room, etcetera would count as striking for the purposes of the illusion. It may even be that simply stamping one's feet, striking one's staff (with or without "You shall not pass!") would be enough to be counted as a strike.

I would agree with this interpretation. I always imagined that illusions with touch applied were a bit like christmas tree baubles. They may look like solid gold or silver and feel solid to the touch but in reality they are as weak as waffer thin glass. Would you choose to walk on a floor made of glass like that?