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Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« on: October 29, 2013, 08:32:16 AM »
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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2013, 10:02:25 PM »
i'm glad the name got changed. 8)

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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2013, 08:31:11 AM »
Yeah : imagine what would have happened to the Star Wars franchise if a Jedi was allowed to get revenge? And the climax of RotJ wouldn't have had the same impact.

I read a book about Georges Lucas, I think it was written before RotJ, but after TESB. There was interesting "facts" in there (the discussion about the title of the third movie was there too). The mime playing C-3P0, Anthony Daniels, was bullied during the shooting of SW (ANH) for no other reason than playing a goofy character. I make a parallel with the actor behind Gollum, Andy Serkis, who received the same treatment. Are scapegoats (whipping boy?) a common occurence during film production?

The book was also talking about Indiana Jones and how Lucas wanted to have an unknown actor for the role, but ended up with Harrison Ford because he fitted so well with it.
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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2013, 01:16:56 PM »
Well Lucas certainly had the Jedi in the prequels acting like jerks and very "un" Jedi according to the original trilogy.  :P

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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2013, 10:11:40 PM »
The book was also talking about Indiana Jones and how Lucas wanted to have an unknown actor for the role, but ended up with Harrison Ford because he fitted so well with it.

Yes, if Wiki is to be believed, Tom Selleck was the first Indiana Jones because Lucas didn't want it to be Lucas/Harrison Ford all the time.  Spielberg pushed for Ford all along, and Lucas finally gave in.
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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2013, 12:48:08 AM »
I remember seeing that title "Revenge of the Jedi" in a magazine. I also remember that Starlog magazine reported it as an "on purpose" leak to mislead those who tried to get all the info before it was ready to be released. There were other tidbits of misleading info George Lucas allowed leaked at the same time, though I don't remember what it was. I believe the article (I read it somewhere) said another reason he did it was to hopefully get people to disbelieve the "Darth Vader is Luke's father" rumor.

There is also another rumor out now that I remember it clearly being corrected back in the 80's. That George Lucas originally intended to make 9 movies. From what I heard he never intended 9 movies, it was all in 1 script to begin with and expanded to a total of 6 just before "A New Hope" finished production. Has any of this changed? Did George Lucas recant what he said in the 80's?

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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2013, 05:18:13 AM »
As far as I know, Mister Lucas is a bit... indecisive.

At first, he announced that he wanted to make 9 movies. Then it was only 1. Then the original trilogy. Then 6. Then 9. Then 6. And every single time he insisted that it had always been the number he currently announced.  ::)

Another huge mistake he made in the "enhanced" revision of the original trilogy was to let Greedo shoot first. Seriously? A professional bountyhunter missing his target from 2 feet away? In the original, non-"enhanced" films Han Solo shot first and that action characterized his personality perfectly, if you ask me.

The third movie of the original trilogy was to be named "Return of the Jedi," but the producers did not think it would be a good title to lure paying watchers into the cinemas and wanted Lucas to name it "Revenge of..." Lukas agreed for a while, but returned to the "Return of...," since Revenge is an anathema to Jedi.

But I can be mistaken...  :-[
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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2013, 07:53:18 AM »
I think I found the reference to the book I was talking about :

http://books.google.ca/books?id=ntW8VmeJYwEC&source=gbs_book_other_versions
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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2013, 02:51:26 PM »
1) The Star Wars fan club called it Revenge of the Jedi the whole time. I'm pretty sure Kenner advertised the Revenge of the Jedi Collection. Also, I remember a news bit on Lucas changing the title. Finally, there was the famous Revenge of the Ewoks prank, which leads me to believe that's what the cast was calling it.

2) It's possible that the 9 movie thing is a rumor, but I'm SURE he announced 9 movies in an interview. Also, I saw the outline at one point (or at least one that looked real enough.) I remember an interview around Jedi where he said that the work was too demanding and he wasn't doing the other six movies. So if it was a rumor, it's one he really committed to. Not definitive, but I think its more logical just to take Lucas' remarks at face value.

I remember seeing that title "Revenge of the Jedi" in a magazine. I also remember that Starlog magazine reported it as an "on purpose" leak to mislead those who tried to get all the info before it was ready to be released. There were other tidbits of misleading info George Lucas allowed leaked at the same time, though I don't remember what it was. I believe the article (I read it somewhere) said another reason he did it was to hopefully get people to disbelieve the "Darth Vader is Luke's father" rumor.

There is also another rumor out now that I remember it clearly being corrected back in the 80's. That George Lucas originally intended to make 9 movies. From what I heard he never intended 9 movies, it was all in 1 script to begin with and expanded to a total of 6 just before "A New Hope" finished production. Has any of this changed? Did George Lucas recant what he said in the 80's?

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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2013, 09:20:18 AM »
I don't remember Lucas mentioning 9, but I thought I read somewhere Lucas pitched the idea as 6 movies and he had somewhat of a full script or storyboard of the whole thing. The producers didn't like the idea of 6 movies and wanted Lucas to take a single story out of the script and this is where we get A New Hope. I agree with the 6 movies and not 9 mostly out of the idea that in the beginning Lucas wanted this to be about Anakin's rise in the Jedi and fall and rise again.

I also read somewhere from Gary Kurtz who was a partner in Star Wars and Empire that Lucas was more interested in how to market Star Wars, not in making it a movie. This is very apparent and obvious in the prequels but if you look close enough into Return you can see much of Lucas's hand in turning Star Wars from a movie into more of a marketing device.

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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2013, 11:18:01 AM »
They talked about the 9 films a lot when I was a kid. My mother still asks me about once a year what happened to the other three and I have to explain that he combined the last three into Jedi.
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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2013, 01:45:31 PM »
They talked about the 9 films a lot when I was a kid. My mother still asks me about once a year what happened to the other three and I have to explain that he combined the last three into Jedi.
That is about the best explanation you can give someone who doesn't understand. Now you can tell her they are finally going to do the next three, and possibly more.

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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2013, 04:04:18 AM »
I also read somewhere from Gary Kurtz who was a partner in Star Wars and Empire that Lucas was more interested in how to market Star Wars, not in making it a movie. This is very apparent and obvious in the prequels but if you look close enough into Return you can see much of Lucas's hand in turning Star Wars from a movie into more of a marketing device.

That does not surprise me. On the one hand, I wonder what Kurtz' agenda was to tell that, but on the other hand I have very clear memories about the money machinery that Star Wars was. I remember lots of action figures and starships that we were playing with as kids and I remember how all my classmates and I could barely wait to finally play the X-Wing computer game.

It is show business. Without business, there is no show. Thus I can understand that Lucas had to get the gears working. But when I look at the prequel trilogy and the "enhanced" movies, I can believe that he did not really care about the Star Wars universe anymore except for its profit. Just look at Greedo's fumble in the cantina. (Han Solo's characterization got spoiled, but the Morale Police was satisfied and the Ministry of Family Serenity could sleep again.) Think of the various slapstick scenes included when the protagonists enter Mos Isley. Think of Han Solo stepping on Jabba's tail(!). (Would you step on Don "Godfather" Corleone's feet while chatting about your debts?) Seriously, what was he thinking by adding slapstick as an "enhancement?"  :(
Those movies lost their charme and their soul, if you ask me. The original trilogy was a great mixture of serious and epic fantasy in space, a coming-of-age story, and the unsiversal battle against oppression. Not to mention the pursue of enlightment and tranquility to get rid of the inner resistance and conflict.
Now add in slapstick and "correct" some characters to make them more appealing to the family afternoon entertainment and you lost me.

Anyway, the prequel trilogy was a SFX- and CGI-orgy beyond comparison and the marketing was perfectioned, if you ask me. It clearly demonstrated the technical posibilities and proficiency of ILM, who did an amazing job. Which is a good thing for the producers and Lucas' bank account, but left a pretty rotten taste in  my mouth.

The SFX were completely over the top and felt wrong, the starships were mostly in mint condition, everything was clean and shiny. The scenery porn (do not follow that link, it's a bad rabbit hole and a black hole of time destruction) did not help, either.

Recently I bought the original trilogy as shown in the theatres and I am so glad to see it without the "enhancements," without the slapstick and without the "corrections" and different songs suddenly sung at Jabba's palace.

Did anyone take a look at Fantasy Flight Games' new Star Wars RPG?
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Re: Movie trailer : Revenge of the Jedi
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2013, 01:38:59 PM »
Naphta23, I agree with your views.
When I first heard about Lucas doing things to the movies just for the money (back when they first re-released the original "enhanced" trilogy in theaters) I hoped they were just rumors from "haters". But as time went on I began to see the trend and have since come to a sort of terms with the whole situation. The original trilogy was and still is a trend setter much like The Lord of the Rings is. But Lucas put a damper on that due to wanting to change things just for money.
I just hope that Disney can put the story back on the right track, and I hope that in some way they use the multitude of books for reference.

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