Topic: Are Full Parry Attacks just Fumble Checks?

[RandalThor]

We house rule this one. If you want to roll an attack you must at least conserve a +10 of your bonus in order to roll. Otherwise the logic goes that even when you could've gone for a cheap shot you decided to run for cover. Chicken.

Must parry results mean no attack roll at all for you.

I like this. It means that if you are going to attack, you are going to put some effort into it - even if it is minimal effort.

It really makes sense when you think that when someone tries to do something, they are trying. Even if the attempt is half-hearted, there is still an attempt, which means you must devote some effort (read - OB in RM) to the task.

Have an Idea Point.

[Tathas]

We house rule this one. If you want to roll an attack you must at least conserve a +10 of your bonus in order to roll.

What do you do when someone's OB is negative due to accumulated penalties then?  Are they just not allowed to attack?

[Lord Garth]

We house rule this one. If you want to roll an attack you must at least conserve a +10 of your bonus in order to roll.

What do you do when someone's OB is negative due to accumulated penalties then?  Are they just not allowed to attack?

They are not allowed to supplement their parry, that's for sure 

Regardless I think we do allow negative OBs to attack. No logic here, just plain fun in rolling in case you get lucky and roll open ended.

[Skaran]

I'm assuming that the 0 OB attack would still get bonuses from magic weapons etc?

[RandalThor]

How you tallied your bonus was one of the bones of contention - which directly affects your question.

If you tally everything - skill, material, magic, etc.. then you can have a true zero bonus. But, if the item and magic bonuses are kept kind of separate, then after you have the negative mods, those bonuses can still be applied to the roll. In other words: only the actual skill bonus is affected by things like injury & vision mods, the material/magic bonuses are kept separate so they are not so affect. (Of course, the injury and other mods can put your bonus into the negatives enough so that your material/magic mods aren't enough to get your final bonus past zero....)

I go with the totaling everything up method - it is easier, and I believe, ends up being the same.

[Marc R]

It matters, in the sense that one way, you can use that 30 from your +30 sword for DB, while in the other logic, it must be OB and cannot be used for parry.

[providence13]

At least for RMFRP, only a few magic weapons state "+X bonus for OB and +Y bonus for DB". Or "+X bonus but if a specific portion is used on DB, then +Y bonus to DB."

So it's there, but not very common.

[Marc R]

A sword that gave +10 OB and +10 DB, IMO would be:

+10 OB for your total bonus, which can be used for parry on one target if desired.

+10 DB vs all attacks, just like any other DB bonus.

[providence13]

Some have an If Then or And Or clause.

Parrying Falchion. +5 OB. If you use at least 1/2 of total OB to parry, the sword adds +15 to DB.