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Systems & Settings => Shadow World => Topic started by: Walt on January 12, 2008, 11:48:10 AM
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I happend to remember an old thread of Munchy relating to Norek and the possible connections to Jaiman (somewhere in the archives).
More and more I realise how gorgeous the possible interconnections between both can be made. After going through Norek, some adventures in and around Jaiman, the gaining of the SeaDrake Pendant the players are heading back to Norek.
And with Ulor paying the Pirates of Plasidar to disrupt the trade connections it?s a city ripe for absorption of Ulor: the unemployment rates are high, rasicm in the streets (in our game Mazba Olinher was killed through Nitire, Dunna Revin working for a change in the council for her and Lorgalis favour)
With a little bit of planing it?s an excellent start for any group to introduce into Shadow World and afterwards give them the "dark mood" of Jaiman breaking apart...
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IIRC, Norek became part of the Rhakhaan Empire after the Civil War between Jerrin and Frelik.
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Help me, what?s the meaning of IIRC?
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If I Recall Correctly...i had to ask too a while back.
Crazy internet/chat lingo ;)
lynn
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That is a interresting plot Walt :)
In my campaign Norek is undecided in joining King Kier of Helyssa or Emperor Jerrin of Rhakhaan, the idea of Lorgalis meddeling in these politics would be a great addition. I think i'll add it in the future.
We have a pretty good campaign map of the Nea Bay and suroundings, ill scan and post it if you like?
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We have a pretty good campaign map of the Nea Bay and suroundings, ill scan and post it if you like?
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Thanks a lot, this would be nice and very interesting. I can send you in return some stuff in and around Norek.
In our story Norek is developing into an uncertain future. The "fumble" with the resurection of Innlothu Pahal gave Dunna Revin the possibility to compete against Nusmoy. She wants to get the chairmanship of the council and to introduce an emissary of Ulor instead of the Remiraith into the council. And so on and so on. layer after layer...
I would be happy to exchange thoughts about the different plot possibilities. Not sure if a forum is the right place for this?
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The Ulor Emissary
Sounds very intimidating :)
In my campaign one of the characters is a lesser knight from the southern Helyssa and fiercely loyal to King Kier, he would be very upset with such a emissary. I will look more into this, and post some ideas here. I by the way belive this forum would be a ok place to share ideas :)
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The Ulor Emissary
is a lesser knight from the southern Helyssa and fiercely loyal to King Kier, he would be very upset with such a emissary.
Same for us, one PC is the cousin to Kier and another one the former bodyguard to Minalon frim Cynar (the former advisor to King Halek and Mentor to Kier). Both loyal to Kier.
But Norek has got a rather strong and independent position in our version. Dunna Revin has got a strong position in the Arcanus with her idea of a magokratie in Norek. Trying to influence the attitude against Nusmoy and towards Ulor for a long time. And nowbody know to what is up this "Lord of Ulor".
Guthrin has only the problem that the trade is down. And everybody who changes the problem and leaves him in his position is fine for him.
Humar Winnoy has got his first duty to U-Lyshak and the second towards Norek. And independent Norek, as it was already fot thousands of years. So for sure he hates the, in his view, evilLord of Ulor, but he also doesn?t like the idea of a strong U-Lyshak if Kier would find the crown.
By the way, we are still in 6050 TE. So the situation still unfolds
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King Liras can be another factor in your game. After Kier appears, it is "official" that Liras accept Kier and make an agreement with him.
After all, Liras will be not happy with the death of Mazba.
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After all, Liras will be not happy with the death of Mazba.
No, Liras is not at all happy with the death of Mazba. With Mazba did not only die a emissary of the Remiraith in Norek. With Mazbe died the spokesman, the organ trying to plea a little bit of understanding into Liras ears for all those shortlived human affaires.
Now it?s over, King Liras fortified his borders and let it be.
This was the reason why Thev O Erlini in the disguise of (an already dead Mazba) put Humar Winnoy under drugs and provoked him so much that Humar himself had at the end the impression he murderd Mazba Olinher.
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Knows anybody a sourcebook of any world or system which would be a good prototype for Sidar? So far I found "Thieves Quarter" of City Quarter Sourcebooks which could make sense.
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Freeport from Green Ronin could be good, Five Fingers from Privateers is damn good too.
Also you can use the same info to flesh out Xooba.
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Good idea with using Five Fingers with Xooba :)
Well I promised some time ago I would post our campaign map of Plasidar when i got around a scanner, and now I have.
http://www.nerdcon.dk/files/Plasidar2.jpg - Here is the campaign map of Plasiadar, some of the stains were intended, others got there in time but I like it looking old and used :) There are some places that are written in danish others in english. I can post a cleaned up version with engliglish translations if you would like that.
http://www.nerdcon.dk/files/NeaBay1.jpg - This is a map of the area around Plasidar, with several cities and the entire of Meluria, som of the cities in Meluria are from the Kabis campaign.
Enojy :)
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Thanks GM,
it?s a pretty good map. I finally found some Shadow World Masters which are also keen on the idea to connect all the different campaigns which we are running around Jaiman.
At the moment it?s only an idea, but would you have interest?
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Hey Walt, yes I would definitely like to discuss those ideas, I belive the potential for such a group is very good, I love to get fresh input and new ideas on an old subject. Actually in my campaign the Helyssa administration (King Kier) believes Plasidar to be an old part of the U-Lyshak (the 5th dukedom) and thus formally claims it as their own, but is in no to position and has no real will to back the claims up with arms. Much like the China/Taiwan situation. But it makes some great moments when player characters form U-Lyshak and Plasidar has to team up against a more important enemy.
I have made a map of Saralis which includes the northern part of U-Lyshak. It might be usefull? http://www.nerdcon.dk/files/Saralis2.jpg
Later :)
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Hi GM,
is German any problem for you? I?m developing at the moment an adventure serie located in Norek and U-Lyshak. At the moment it?s round about 22 pages. But all in German.
In addition to this I?m focusing on the whole region in the sense of some kind of supplement for U-Lyshak. But that?s still at the moment a combination of notes and maps without to much structure. But I would be more than happy to get some feedback on this stuff.
Cheers
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Well.... german hmmm :)
Meine kenntnisse im deutschen sind nicht sehr gut, aber ich glaube ich verstehe das meiste.
I Would love to read it :)
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Okay, fantastic. (at least it?s not writen in Bavarian slang)
Please give me some e-mail adress for sending the stuff.
Some facts for the story I send you:
Date 70.2.6050 TE.
It?s aft the resurecction of Zyax the Ebon (with dire consequences for the Orden of the Spear)
It?s the start of the military campaign of Lorgalis against Jaiman.
And one quite inportant thing: in contrast to the version of Terry the Rhakhaan Empire doesn?t have a hold over Western U-Lyshak (also the Western Marches are in our version different-but I?m still trying to find for this a solution so both fit together)
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Sounds great Walt, I'll have to read up on my Norek book soon I gather. Actually in my campaign Norek is not a part of Rhakhaan either, but they are negociating some kind of treaty with both Cynar, Remeriath and Haalkiatine. Lorgalis is not very active at the moment, but he could be.
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The Ulor Emissary
Sounds very intimidating :)
In my campaign one of the characters is a lesser knight from the southern Helyssa and fiercely loyal to King Kier, he would be very upset with such a emissary.
Hi GM, can you some information of the charakter (and perhaps the others too) I would like to include this lesser Knight into our campaign. Or even the whole of your group somehow.
In which time are you playing?
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Sounds great Walt, I'll have to read up on my Norek book soon I gather. Actually in my campaign Norek is not a part of Rhakhaan either, but they are negociating some kind of treaty with both Cynar, Remeriath and Haalkiatine. Lorgalis is not very active at the moment, but he could be.
The starting point for our campaign are two significant events:
First, the resurrection of Zyax, the Warlord for the Forces of Ulor at the end of 6049 TE. With this the War around U-Lyshak begins. A war for which Logarlis had a long time to prepare. This was the first move of the Unlife Forces: with this move the raised hopes of the Council of Norek and the forces of good of help through an ancient hero of the past are squashed quite at the very beginning - what delicious plan of Logarlis, hitting all the hopes and even the very faith of the people in the Gods of Orhan!
The second, the unexpected meeting of Kier with whatever group of people trying to get his hands on the seadrake artifacts.
In our campaign the players have still to devlop their strategy against Ulor and the Cult of Yarthraak. The discussion goes from raising an army, to walking right into Cynar and demanding back the regency to some diplomatic actions and even to the (stupid?) paln if finding some old artifacts.
And on this they have to accept some very hard compromises. For example, to get the help of the Thieves of Cynar (to get the players with Kier back into the Royal Chateau to look for the Sea Drake Amulet) Kier had to sign a treaty giving the Thieves "free-hand" and protection in some certain buisnesses.
Perhaps soon they have to negotiate also with the Duke of Plasidar. I?m still not sure what will the demands of him, but they will for sure be fullon because for the moment (spring 6050) Kier has nothing to offer him but needs his help.
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@ Terry (a question about the timeline):
In Jaiman (1989) U-Lyshak breaks in 6201 SE into 2 lands, the western part ruled by Aeryk who institutes human sacrifice as part of a new religion. 6210 SE the capital of Cynar is sacked. (p 11)
In Powers of Light and Darkness (2003) in 6201 SE Aeryk coordinates the split of U-Lyshak, Cynar is sacked. The northern part, Su-Lyak, institutes human sacrifice under the rule of Aeryk. Ulyas, the southern part, is held by an indirect heir. Then in 6203 an army led by an Ordainer overruns much of Ulyas and lays waste to the southern region. In 6210 SE the same Ordainer (by the way, has this near demigod a name?) assaults the capital city and home of the king of Su-lyak (p 7,8)
In the Master Atlas, 4th Edition (2003) in 6201 SE there is civil war in U-Lyshak and the northern part remains loyal to Prince Selacarn (who is slain afterwards) and the southern lords seek independence. In 6210 SE Cynar is sacked by an army led by an Ordainer. (p18,19)
It?s for sure good to have the different stories because different historians will write different history. But what happened really between 6201 and 6210 SE?