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Offline Druss_the_Legend

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Lets talk about Vampires
« on: October 06, 2024, 12:05:53 PM »
1. have you used vampires in your campaign?
2. did you homebrew any extra/modified abilities for them?
3. how might you differentiate a group of vampires that are about to do battle with the party?
4. What is the hardest thing the players will need to overcome to win an encounter with vampires?

Some initial ideas:

Differentiating a Group of Vampires

Types of Vampires:
- **Bloodbinder:** These vampires can manipulate the blood of their victims, allowing them to create temporary thralls or even temporarily drain the abilities of the party members. They could have abilities that allow them to use blood magic or enhance their combat prowess with stolen skills.
- **Shadow Stalker:** This type excels in stealth and manipulation of shadows. They might have abilities that allow them to teleport short distances in dim light, creating a tactical advantage. Their attacks could inflict conditions like fear or paralysis.
- **Wraithlord:** A more powerful vampire that can summon lesser undead or control shadows as minions. They might have auras that drain morale or provide bonuses to allies within a certain radius.

Tactics and Behavior:
- **Cunning Strategies:** Instead of outright attacking, they could set traps or use misdirection to lure the party into ambushes. They might engage in psychological warfare, taunting characters based on their fears or weaknesses.
- **Hierarchy and Conflict:** Introduce rivalries within the group of vampires. For example, the Bloodbinder might resent the Wraithlord's authority, leading to infighting that the party could exploit.
- **Evolving Threats:** Have the vampires adapt during the battle. If the party begins to dominate, the vampires might retreat, only to return stronger or with reinforcements, keeping the tension high.

Hardest Challenges for the Players

Overcoming Psychological Warfare:
- **Fear and Manipulation:** Vampires are masters of fear. They can inflict conditions that weaken the party's resolve, such as fear effects or illusions that create doubt about their own abilities. Players will need to overcome not just physical threats but also mental ones, requiring strong roleplaying and character resolve.
**Resource Management:**
- **Limited Resources:** If the vampires have abilities that drain stamina or life force, the players may find themselves quickly running low on resources. The need to conserve power while still engaging in combat creates a challenging dynamic.
**Strategic Disadvantage:**
- **Nighttime Advantage:** If the encounter takes place at night or in darkened areas, the vampires gain significant advantages. The players will have to think creatively to overcome the environment, possibly by using light sources or finding ways to force the vampires into the open.
**Dealing with Regeneration:**
- **Resilience and Healing:** If the vampires possess fast regeneration, the players may struggle to deal enough damage before the vampires heal. This could require them to find specific weaknesses or use certain types of attacks (like fire or holy magic) to make a meaningful impact.

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Re: Lets talk about Vampires
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2024, 07:40:12 PM »
1. have you used vampires in your campaign?
2. did you homebrew any extra/modified abilities for them?
3. how might you differentiate a group of vampires that are about to do battle with the party?
4. What is the hardest thing the players will need to overcome to win an encounter with vampires?

A1. No I haven't yet. I did get a copy of Ravenloft though.  I thought about using them, but mostly as Masterminds.

A2. No, I haven't yet.

A3. I haven't got there yet.  I might have to read Dracula to get ideas.

A4. Probably the fear aspect.

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Re: Lets talk about Vampires
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2024, 11:31:04 AM »
1. have you used vampires in your campaign?
2. did you homebrew any extra/modified abilities for them?
3. how might you differentiate a group of vampires that are about to do battle with the party?
4. What is the hardest thing the players will need to overcome to win an encounter with vampires?
1. Once, as one of the feuding antagonists. Never as a direct opponent.
2. He was (and still is) a powerful mage. I don't think he needs more power than that.
3. Demeanor. Vampires are not cannon fodder, they are major NPCs and individuals that love to show their most salient traits. Also, I would probably never use more than one or two at the same time, except if the PCs are especially daring/stupid. Lesser vampires are another matter entirely, being more like pack animals with lower intellect and mostly feral instincts.
4. A Vampire has plans within plans within plans, and a few layers more. They have all the time in the world, but are vulnerable to a number of things and that makes them really keen on preparation. The characters would walk into layered traps all the time, and I would probably assume that whatever they can think of, the vampire has seen it all and has developed countermeasures.
Defeating a vampire means overcoming a world of experience and paranoia, and almost unmatched influence capabilities. It not only requires research to find its weaknesses, but also a healthy dose of suspicion to sort out the little truths from the load of lies the vampire has sown itself to make sure would-be hunters walk onto the path *it* has traced.
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Re: Lets talk about Vampires
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2024, 02:11:38 PM »
1. have you used vampires in your campaign?
2. did you homebrew any extra/modified abilities for them?
3. how might you differentiate a group of vampires that are about to do battle with the party?
4. What is the hardest thing the players will need to overcome to win an encounter with vampires?
1. Once, as one of the feuding antagonists. Never as a direct opponent.
2. He was (and still is) a powerful mage. I don't think he needs more power than that.
3. Demeanor. Vampires are not cannon fodder, they are major NPCs and individuals that love to show their most salient traits. Also, I would probably never use more than one or two at the same time, except if the PCs are especially daring/stupid. Lesser vampires are another matter entirely, being more like pack animals with lower intellect and mostly feral instincts.
4. A Vampire has plans within plans within plans, and a few layers more. They have all the time in the world, but are vulnerable to a number of things and that makes them really keen on preparation. The characters would walk into layered traps all the time, and I would probably assume that whatever they can think of, the vampire has seen it all and has developed countermeasures.
Defeating a vampire means overcoming a world of experience and paranoia, and almost unmatched influence capabilities. It not only requires research to find its weaknesses, but also a healthy dose of suspicion to sort out the little truths from the load of lies the vampire has sown itself to make sure would-be hunters walk onto the path *it* has traced.
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great input! i like the point of view the vampire will have as an ancient mastermind with deception and paranoia tactics making it an even more challenging foe. LEsser vampires sent by an overlord type vampire lord is how i think ill run my encounter using the allure of treasure and persuasive minions perhaps using illusion/seduction to trap the party, , causing them to hesitate or maybe be charmed into defending the vampire from the others in the party ;)

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Re: Lets talk about Vampires
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2024, 07:43:51 AM »
Stephen King has an interesting Vampire heirarchy in his Dark Tower series:

https://darktower.fandom.com/wiki/Vampires

I wouldn't crib it whole cloth, but I do think there is something there to use.

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Re: Lets talk about Vampires
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2024, 01:00:45 AM »
Stephen King has an interesting Vampire heirarchy in his Dark Tower series:

https://darktower.fandom.com/wiki/Vampires

I wouldn't crib it whole cloth, but I do think there is something there to use.

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