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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2007, 10:02:32 AM »
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But I think of my house rule...Your suggestion about the second crit that will make some weapons less powerful is right...abracadabra...and if this limited second crit becom a tertiary crit?

That would up the power level of the whole combat system, but it does it equally across the board. That is the sort of things you have to watch out for when tinkering..


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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2007, 10:21:53 AM »
That would up the power level of the whole combat system, but it does it equally across the board. That is the sort of things you have to watch out for when tinkering..
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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2007, 12:28:07 PM »
Dear Rasyr, for this new system, can You give us stats for the new weapons from ML please?

That would be great :)
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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2007, 01:20:00 PM »
Not today I can't. Perhaps I can squeeze out some time over the weekend to try and do them up.


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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2007, 01:53:36 PM »
Tank IOU Rasyr, very nice! ;)
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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2007, 06:03:53 PM »
Tim,
There is a sainthood waiting for you! ;D
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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2007, 09:39:05 PM »
I have a question concerning the OB modifications...
Are they balanced in reference to the armor DB reductions?

I mean to say, since heavier armor is already penalized to DB, are the weapon modifiers to OB taken into account?
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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2007, 10:06:41 PM »
Maybe not in every little detail, but the weapons and how they work are taken into consideration before the modifiers were given.


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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2007, 11:26:28 AM »
Rasyr,

With these new RMX type combat tables for HARP, how do you handle spells such as Tree Skin which causes the caster's skin to become as protective as soft leather (and other armors)?  Are attacks against the caster resolved on the None Column (since they aren't really wearing armor), or under the appropriate Armor Column?
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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2007, 11:53:14 AM »
To me the spells alter the skin and act like armors, thus DB must be lowered like in the rule; a steel skin/tree skin (You name it...) it's hard like plate, soft ou rigid leather, thus use the right column. ;)
I 've tried this system and it's less deadly than H'N'S; it's more or less equal to the base system, ML.
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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2007, 11:54:30 AM »
under the appropriate armor column, with the appropriate DB adjustments accordingly

I.e. the basic Treeskin spell protects as Soft Leather, giving a +20 to DB. So, you use Soft Leather column and subtract 10 from DB (after adding the 20 from the spell), and there you go.


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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2007, 01:14:35 PM »
Thanks Rasyr.  :)
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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2007, 02:05:21 AM »
Something different. IMO there is a typo on page 11 of HB11. The Attack Size of the Spear is listed to be L(arge) for one-handed use and M(edium) for two-handed use. It should be the other way around I guess.

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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2007, 04:19:10 AM »
Amazing.

Great new tactical criticals, damage cap - in comparison to H&S.
Fantastic weapon mods (against plate, chain or leather)

BUT.......

Two attack rolls needed (HARPs huge advantage of only one roll vanishes)
How do you handle spells dealing a critical? (elemental walls, tremors, aura etc)


I think i'll use it on a cloak-and-sword campaign. Little blackpowder weapon adjustements (crush? impact?) and some styles (italian, spanish) and we'll see how fine it'll fit.


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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2007, 05:17:59 AM »
Two attack rolls needed (HARPs huge advantage of only one roll vanishes)

In my experience many attack rolls do no or little damage. For all these rolls it still remains one attack roll. Only for those rolls where a critical is achieved a second roll is made. That is IMO perfectly acceptable.

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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2007, 01:34:06 PM »
Rasyr,

Got another question for you.

I don't have my RM books handy (loaned them out), so I can't look this up, but .... If I am using creatures from the old C&T book, what ATs would equal which armor types under the HB 11 combat tables.  Soft Leather, Reinforced Leather, and Chain are pretty easy to figure out, but what is the AT cut for Plate/Chain and Plate?

The RM ATs in the C&T book (the only RM book I have right now) only describes the leathers, chains, and plates, no plate/chain combos.  Should I just not worry about this and just use the SL, RL, Ch, & Pl columns in HB 11 and just skip using the Plate/Chain column?   

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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2007, 02:18:10 PM »
You have to remember that the stuff in HB #11 is a conversion of the combat system from RMX. RMx doesn't have the plate/chain listing, but the HARP version does.

If you are trying to convert from RM's C&T to HARP and to use this, I would use the following general rule of thumb:

AT 1-4 = None
AT 5-8 = Soft Leather
AT 9-12 = Reinforced Leather
AT 13-16 = Chain
AT 17-19 = Chain/Plate
AT 20 = Plate


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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2007, 08:21:59 AM »
Thanks once again Rasyr.  :)
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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2007, 09:24:05 AM »
Ya know what I miss though?

...the abundant criticals, with a different column for each letter...like in old RM.

What was the reasoning behind making the critical list smaller?
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Re: Bazaar 11
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2007, 10:38:17 AM »
To make a Condensed Combat System. If you like the Arms Law Crits, then you can always just slap them in  and replace the ones given with the core RM crit tables.

It would still work fine that way...