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Systems & Settings => Rolemaster => RMC/RM2 => Topic started by: fiolnir on March 20, 2008, 03:23:34 PM
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Anyone have any idea how easy/hard it would be to use Cyradon for Rolemaster Classic? note: I do not own Cyradon.
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In a few months, it will be very easy, as ICE is working on creating "RM Cyradon".
This will be a full game in a single book. The rules will be based on those found in RMX (expanded by the EAs, and by some new rules/options to make it work more like the HARP Cyradon does), and will be a stand-alone product, just as RMX is.
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In a few months, it will be very easy, as ICE is working on creating "RM Cyradon".
Great news!
Of course I will stick with HARP (I switched after 15+ years of RM2 because I think it is the better system for me) but I hope that this will give Cyradon the attention that it deserves. I also like the idea of a combined Rule/Setting package and RMX is pretty easy expandable to RMC (and with some tweaking even to RMFRP), so it sounds for me like the perfect choice. :D
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This sounds very cool! 8)
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In a few months, it will be very easy, as ICE is working on creating "RM Cyradon".
This will be a full game in a single book. The rules will be based on those found in RMX (expanded by the EAs, and by some new rules/options to make it work more like the HARP Cyradon does), and will be a stand-alone product, just as RMX is.
One question about this: If I give one of my extra copies of RMX to a player, tell him/her to make a PC using the RMX rules, will that PC be 100 percent ready for RM Cyradon? (Assuming, that is, that the PC isn't a halfling.)
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Possibly -- Besides, it is your game - if you say it is, then it is... :)
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Possibly -- Besides, it is your game - if you say it is, then it is... :)
I guess that I'm indirectly asking how far from RMX the rules in RM Cyradon will be. Also, I'd like to be able to give potential players a version of the rulebook that doesn't include lots of 'secret GM stuff' about the setting (although that's not really a big issue).
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The RM Cyradon book will contain all of the setting info in the original Cyradon.
The rules portion has not been written yet, and the follow is the current plan -- which means that it is subject to change depending on how things go (and I dislike giving out info that might change)...
The actual RM rules will be mostly RMX. The skill list will be those in RMX, plus the ones (from RMC) that were introduced in the EAs, plus Diplomacy & Duping (will be in EA7). The current plan also includes using Maneuver in Armor as a single skill option. 40 DPs per levell, not stat based. (we might give humans an extra 5 to offset them not having not having any special abilities like Nightvision)
It is also planned that it will include Culture packages (also in EA7 - but Generic, where the Cyradon Culture packages would be specific -- the plan is that using a Culture package costs 20 DP and they can only be acquired during Adolescence (i.e. a first level character would 80 DPs, or 60 if a Culture is taken).
Included professions have not been finalized yet, but the plan is to have a generic Mage and Priest (i.e. you pick the order they are from and that changes certain skill costs (maybe) and determines spell lists -- the rules for this still have to be written.
Races - The available races will be those from Cyradon, not the standard RMC races. Cyradon elves only live 500 years (are NOT immortal), plus we need to have a viable lizardman (Nagazi), Gnome (Rhona), and Gryphon race (I already did up the Gryx in one EA), and that might mean changing them from their C&T versions -- we don't know yet.
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Thanks for the brilliant yet succinct summary, Rasyr! 8)
This looks like a great book! I cannot wait until I get it! (Note to self: Must stop ending every sentence with an exclamation mark!)
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WOW!!
Yeah, count me as getting that too!!!
Rasyr, how soon will we see it?
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Reason I ask is a campaign will be coming to a close soon and if the new Cyradon game will be ready by then, I intend on starting that. Otherwise I will start a new HARP game...
but I would rather start the new game! It looks to be awesome!! Can't wait!!
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We are hoping to release it by mid summer. Key word there being "hoping".
Sometimes things never turn out as planned. ;D
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I am simply dripping with anticipation!
Oh boy! Does this game look good!!
;D
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Oooh, Gryphons and size adjusted knockback out of RMC CT using "Additional Knockback Damage" out of RMC AL should be a nasty combination. . .as should CTs "Everycreature Attacks".
Wait, are Gryphons L?
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Rasyr,
Will the crit charts be the condensed ones in RME?
I would rather see the more varied charts... ;D
Thanks!
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Most likely yes -- but it is something that we can discuss and decide later -- first we have to get the manuscript done (once done, we can replace things like crit tables if we can do so without too much hassle and trouble).
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OK...Thanks!
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Well, it is mid-summer...
Any more word on the RM Cyradon game Rasyr?
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It is in progress.... ;D
Unfortunately, real life has a tendency to slow things down....
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It is in progress.... ;D
Unfortunately, real life has a tendency to slow things down....
Oh goody!
I will try to wait patiently!!!
;D
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Any chance on an update as to how it is going or what is certain to be in it?!?!?
Or maybe a tentative date it will be available??
Please? ;D
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No dates -- every time ICE gives a date, Murphy goes into overdrive to make sure we miss it... ;D
RM Cyradon is basically going to be something of a mix between RMX and the Cyradon core book. It will have everything (setting-wise) that is in the core Cyradon book, and it will have a variant of RMX rules so that it is a complete game and setting in a single book.
Some examples of the rules content -- we are trying to make RM Cyradon be as close to the HARP Cyradon as possible.
Fast PP Regen -- We will include these rules. This isn't a part of the HARP rules, but we felt that it well matches the tone and nature of Cyradon.
Combat Styles -- Originally, we weren't going to do Combat Styles, but the Cyradon core book contains specific combat styles for Cyradon, so we used Combat Companion to create the styles for RM Cyradon. We will not be including anything extra regarding styles though, only that which is needed to use the styles given. The styles will get their own table of DP costs, and the costs are already figured for each profession (and taking into account whether the melee or missile is your primary or lowest cost).
Races - The races will NOT be the core races from Character Law, nor the races from C&T. These are the Cyradon races, including racial abilities for each race. For example, Humans get Bonus skill ranks (which can be placed in any skill), Skill Specialization (+10 to 2 different skills), and Skill Flexibility (reduce costs of a single skill by 1 point -- i.e. 2/6 becomes 1/5, 2/* becomes 1/*, or 15 becomes 14). Other races get other abilities.
Professions -- We will be including the following professions: Fighter, Rogue, Thief, Warrior Monk, Champion, Elemental Warrior, Venturer, Ranger, Bard, Priest, Mage, and Adept (note: names for these last three MAY change before we are done).
The Priest, Mage, and Adept are Pure Spell Users. When taken, the player must also select a magical school or tradition or in the case of the priest, a religion. These "packages" will give additional background info, as well as change the costs of certain skills AND dictate what spell lists may be chosen as Base Lists for the character.
Talents -- Cyradon includes Talents, so we will have to include talents as well, but the plan is to keep the list small and only allow then during Chargen
There are likely things I have forgotten. There are also likely to be changes between now and the time it is finished as well....
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:o
;D
I can hardly wait!
It sounds AWESOME!!
:worthy:
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Ummm Rasyr?
I know how Murphy acts, but...
Could you at least let us know if we can expect it this year?
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the original plan was for earlier this summer...
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the original plan was for earlier this summer...
Fair enough... thanks!
Do I need to say how anxious I am for it?! :D
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Your avatar says it all... ;D
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Your avatar says it all... ;D
Indeed!
Although my avatar was suppose to go along with my screen name! ;D
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Hmmmm....
Any possibility of pre-ordering?
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OK
One Two last questions... ;D
Will the rules only support PC's to level 10?... or perhaps higher?
And will it be complete in one book?
Thanks Rasyr... :)
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The RMX rules themselves support much higher than 10th level. The only limitation that is inherent in them is that the spell lists only go up to 10th level.
For the RM Cyradon book, that same limitation will be present -- spell lists only to 10th level (the book is going to be very large to begin with). However, this does NOT limit characters to 10th level, only spells.
Also, we already have plans for a Cyradon Grimoire that will contain all of the lists from the RM Cyradon book to 50th level. This needs to be don because RM Cyradon will contain the spell lists from Combat Companion for those professions, spell lists from Spell Law, and several all new spell lists as well.
So..... by producing a Grimoire that has all of the lists from RM Cyradon to 50th level, that allows purchasers to get the full spell lists without having to purchase multiple books. Thus, between the RM Cyradon book and the Grimoire, you get a full game AND setting that you can play for a long long time.
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Also, we already have plans for a Cyradon Grimoire that will contain all of the lists from the RM Cyradon book to 50th level. This needs to be don because RM Cyradon will contain the spell lists from Combat Companion for those professions, spell lists from Spell Law, and several all new spell lists as well.
I'm not sure if I got this right: Cyradon Grimorie (if/when it will be released) should contain:
- lists of Channeling and Essence that you also can find in RMX (to 50th lvl)
- Combat Companion lists
- other Cyradon specific lists (also to 50th lvl)
Right? ;)
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Arioch -- The Cyradon Grimoire will contain all of the lists from RM Cyradon to 50th level as the lists in RM Cyradon will only be given to 10th level.
RM Cyradon will contain a combination of lists from Spell Law (from all three realms), Combat Companion, and new lists (like Mage Staff, Major Healing, and a few others). Basically all of the lists needed to play Rolemaster in Cyradon will be in the core book (to 10th level), with the full list in a Grimoire.
Now, it is also likely that the new lists will also be released in issues of Express Additions, so that those who have Spell Law and Combat Companion won't need to purchase the Grimoire just to get the new lists. The Grimoire is mainly for those who don't have the other books, so that they can get the lists all in one single location.
Also...
As I said above, the rules in RM Cyradon are based on RMX -- however, this does not mean that they are identical. For example, we have a list of about 40 skills, not counting the combat skills.
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Thanks for the reply!
I'm really curious to see how this version of Cyradon will come out! ;D
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I think you have already mentioned that the combat would be of the condensed table type...right?
See, thats the only one thing thats holding me back a bit...
But anyway, this game sounds like absolutely what the doctor ordered...
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I think you have already mentioned that the combat would be of the condensed table type...right?
See, thats the only one thing thats holding me back a bit...
Yes, the same condensed combat system that is in RMX -- this way, everything needed to play is in a single book. I know you have a copy of Arms Law around someplace, so it would be nothing to swap it out for the condensed system. ;D
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Yes, the same condensed combat system that is in RMX -- this way, everything needed to play is in a single book. I know you have a copy of Arms Law around someplace, so it would be nothing to swap it out for the condensed system. ;D
;D
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Actually I'm likely to buy the RM Cyradon when it comes out... It sounds like a good book to get - even though I only play HARP.. :D
(I have played RM previously - 1990-1992 I believe. It was the RM with all the companions - we played up to and including RMC IV).
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Wow am I excited about this game!
;D
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Wow am I excited about this game!
Hehe, we could tell... ;)
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Still trying very hard to be patient...
;D
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Anyone else excitied about this game?
Any thoughts or comments?
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Anyone else excitied about this game?
Any thoughts or comments?
I have RM2 and I have Cyradon... and I play HARP. So, no, I don't need it and won't buy it.
However, I hope it will sell quite well, so we will se a lot of Cyradon supplements in the near future (which I would buy).
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Anyone else excitied about this game?
Any thoughts or comments?
Well I own Cyradon for HARP, but I'm curious to see how this project will develop, also because it seems that it will include some interesting options for RM :)
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Well, I think it will turn out to be great! A complete game and world in one book might be just what the doctor ordered. I am very psyched up about this game!
I am hoping it draws a lot of new players and think it will bring further publicity to ICE games.
I will definately be purchasing more than 1 copy...
;D
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:cool:
8)
Still waiting patiently...
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no you aren't :laugh1:
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no you aren't :laugh1:
:laugh3:
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8)
Boy! This game is gonna be cool!
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If this is patiently, I don't want to see you all worked up.
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I am starting to look forward to it as well, especially with the options giving in EA#9 which seems to be somewhat of a teaser of what to come in Cyradon. Also I actually LIKE reading Campaign settings if they are done well enough. There are lots of ideas and concepts to
steal get inspiration from. I own Defendis Echoes of Heaven and very enjoyed those books. sadly my manual of creatures got lost in a system crash and I cant seem to find my receit ...
Releave the tension, Rasyr, and give us the BOOK! ;)
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After reading this thread I can say it's a definate possibility of me buying it :D But what about Cyradon monsters ? Are the monster listings included in the book ?
That said I'd prefer if ICE would do this for Shadowworld as well as I prefer the setting.Plus it would be a great intro to RM & SW for those who might be hesitent to buy the RMC core books & SW master atlas .I'd buy a RMX/Shadoworld book if ICE published it.That's my $0.02 ;)
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But what about Cyradon monsters ? Are the monster listings included in the book ?
Yes, there will be a number of Monsters, like the ones in the HARP Cyradon book that is also included in RM Cyradon.
Shadow World -- The problem with doing this for Shadow World is that the setting itself is so large that it would be very hard to figure out where to start. We would need to have a relatively small area.
Plus, ICE is a bit leery of messing with (and perhaps messing up) Shadow World as we consider this to be Terry's baby.
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Is RM Cyradon now on pending status? ???
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No, not on pending, but for reasons I won't go into, the author we had for it had to bow out and we had to find another author. And the new author is now getting up to speed and just starting work.
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Ouch! Changing author in the middle (or end?) of a project can't be good.
I'm REALLY looking forward to this release so please don't botch it.
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That said I'd prefer if ICE would do this for Shadowworld as well as I prefer the setting.Plus it would be a great intro to RM & SW for those who might be hesitent to buy the RMC core books & SW master atlas .I'd buy a RMX/Shadoworld book if ICE published it.That's my $0.02 ;)
Seconded!
Bundling an updated version of RMX plus additions with a Shadow World sourcebook seems like a good idea that could benefit both RM and SW.
I hear there is a sourcebook in the works right now, called Emer III...
Maybe you could even consider bundling RMX with Emer I+II+III, if Terry Amthor agreed.
With updated RMX spell lists to at least level 20, and maybe somewhat higher character stats... should work.
Anyway, the word "Kulthea" sounds so much better than "Cyradon" ;)
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Ouch! Changing author in the middle (or end?) of a project can't be good.
I'm REALLY looking forward to this release so please don't botch it.
The book is in the editing phase right now. In going through it, I had to make some organizational changes (to make things fit a bit smoother), and so forth...
The current layout has 11 Player chapters and 7 GM chapters -- and I am currently about 2/3 of the way through the 10th Player Chapter (i.e. Magic), which means that I am currently working on the spell lists themselves (114 in total). I spent the last 2 days just going through the spell list tables to make sure that they were all correct.
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Look forward to the product and I WILL buy the PDF - unless of course you folks have recieved a big chunk of the government stimulus and Obama now owns you ;D.
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No PDF, hate PDF´s, I only use them as a last resort. No give me an old fashioned book and I'm happy ;D
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It will likely be both a PDF and a book. ;D
I just finished editing the chapter on magic. That was a HUGE chapter -
- 55 pages in Microsoft Word.
- 114 Spell Lists (to 10th level) from various sources (Spell Law, EAs, RoCoI even contributed a couple). Lists are divided into Open, CLosed, Base (all base together). Full spell lists (to 50th level) will be in an expansion book, possibly with additional spell lists.
- Many Spell Lists have had the blanks filled in (like for RMSS/FRP).
- 1 Generic Folio* of spell lists for each of the magic using professions (Folios listed in Profession section).
- 3 Specific Priest Folios & 2 alternate Champion Folios (in Cosmology Chapter, not Magic Chapter)
- 4 Mage Folios & 4 Mentat Folios from Anias
- 4 Mage Folios & 4 Mentat Folios from Cyradon
- Information on various casting styles.
- Information on Magical Guilds/Orders
* = A Folio is (if you haven't gotten EA #9 (IIRC)) a group of spell lists from which the character may select his Base Lists. For RMC Cyradon, each Pure spell user gets to select 8 Base Lists from a Folio of 15 Spell Lists, plus any Open or Closed Spell Lists for his realm (i.e. 12-15 spell lists). The Folio themselves may contain spell lists from other realms.
For example, the Open Channeling Spell List, Concussion's Ways (the equivalent of the Minor Healing spell from HARP) is on most of the Folios for the different orders, regardless of profession/realm because magical healing in Cyradon is so prevalent. However, the spell list, Life Mastery, isn't in the book at all because life giving is extremely rare (and thus requires much more than just a spell list).
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I have extremely high hopes for this product (having played RM for over 20 years and loving the HARP Cyradon book), so many thanks for the update. I know estimates of product completion and release are not reliable, but any hint as to when would be greatly appreciated! Also, have you considered putting a 'beta' version out on pdf first similar to what was done for Combat Companion?
Regardless be assured that as soon as it goes up for sale I'll be ordering this for sure!
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Rasyr,
Thanks for the update and preview on whats going on with the RMC Craydon project.
MDC
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We have actually had this in playtesting for a while now.
We followed the rule of "change the system to match the setting", which means that RMC Cyradon will possibly seem like a slight meshing of RMC and HARP because RMC Cyradon has redone all of the races, making them more balanced against one another, it has Training Packages, and Talents, etc.. (in fact, many of the changes made to the system for RMC Cyradon can be found the various issues of Express Additions).
As for doing a Beta, I don't know.
I am hoping to finished with the editing phase in a couple of weeks as I am now past most of the hard stuff (mixing RM and Cyradon), and what is left is chapters that are either pure RMC/RMX rules or pure Cyradon flavor material (i.e. no system material).
The only chapter that will require extra attention will be the one explaining combat, as we are changing the attack tables a good bit, and adding in a new crit table (the combat tables are all based on the ones found in RMX), and then just adding in whatever is required to make things run smoothly.
I got sidetracked for most of this week, making tables for another project that Sherry is working on pagemaking. But I will be back to RMC Cyradon full swing come Monday.
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Excellent
Reading the "preview" you gave only made my expectations higher :wave:
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Is this the same combat system that was in the Combat Companion? If so, I'm going to toss that section right out the window.
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Is this the same combat system that was in the Combat Companion? If so, I'm going to toss that section right out the window.
No, not really. It is heavily based on the RMX combat tables (same table names, same attack tables, basically). The attack tables will have an additional column for Scale armor (i.e. the columns are None, Soft Leather, Reinforced Leather, Chain, Scale, & Plate (like the tables found in HARPer's Bazaar #11)). However, one of the things being considered is altering them so that the damages follow a more linear progression (i.e. crits start sooner on lower Armors, but plain hit damage starts sooner on the higher armors) which is one of features from the Combat Companion system.
The armor rules are simplified, and are designed for use WITH the attack tables. You have the armor for each type which covers check, back, abdomen, and groin. You can add helm, pauldrons, bracers, and greaves. Each of these items adds to your DB. For example, Plate armor with a metal helm, pauldron, bracers, and greaves with provide you with a total of +16 to your DB (of course, you also have to deal with maneuver penalties, a quickness penalty, etc..)
Helms can be soft leather, reinforced leather, or metal
Pauldrons can be reinforced leather or metal
Bracers and Greaves can be leather, reinforced leather, or metal
In addition to small DB modifiers, these pieces can also affect critical results to some minor degree.
For the critical tables, they will be like those found in RMX, though we will be adding a column for MA Strikes (Unbalancing for Sweeps, and Grappling for those MA styles).
Yes, RMC Cyradon will have Combat Styles - and all of these styles are already pre-made and priced (they have their own DP Cost table). Some of them get special maneuvers, some do not.
Note: The armor and combat rules for RMC Cyradon are for each other. i.e. If you change to using the Combat Companion tables, you will need to change to the Combat Companion armor rules. If you decide to change to the Arms Law combat tables, you should use the AT system found in Arms Law.
To whet your appetite a bit more... I have attached 3 images below. They are as follows:
1) Generic Mage Folio - Shows the Spell Lists available as Base Lists to a generic Mage (i.e. he does not belong to a specific guild organization, casting tradition or racial group (yes, some Folios can be racially based, for example, the only Gryphons can get access to the Usirae Folio)
2) Generic Mentat
3) Cealla Folio -- This folio is available to only those of the Cealla casting tradition (which requires casters to collect and keep a bag of spell components (casting can be done without the components, but it costs more PP) chosen (IIRC) for their hue or color.
As you can see, the Folios can have spell lists from other realms in them. There are 7 other sets of Folios for the Mage & Mentant in the Magic chapter, basically giving you a choice of 9 different Mages or 9 different Mentats.
Granted, other choices made will limit which Folios you can use. For example, if you decide to play a Nagazi, your choices are the Default/Generic Folio and the Nagazi Folio.
If you play a Human, you can choose the Generic, the Drei, the Cealla (which would be rare, since it is Sithi mostly), or the Mage's Guild Folios
And all this was done to make it possible for a RMC Cyradon game to have close to the same feel as a HARP Cyradon game.
As I have always said, the rules should be changed to reflect the setting, the seetting should not be changed to reflect the rules.
RMC Cyradon is an example of this axiom.
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Aaah that's really cool 8)
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Many thanks for the previews! Whilst I'll likely reserve judgement on the armour rules (love my Arms Law too much), I really love the folios - particularly the fact that there is both a mage and mentat folio for at least the Cealla tradition. Hopefully the other traditions are the same too?
How about the semi-spell users? Are there separate traditions for them too? For example, does the Pascalline order have the same base lists as the standard Elemental Warrior? (assuming that class to be the RMC equivalent of the Warrior Mage one from HARP)
What about religious orders like the Lightbringers? Are the Firebrands a Priest or Champion variant?
I shall definitely be ordering this as soon as a pre-order arrives on the website!
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Many thanks for the previews! Whilst I'll likely reserve judgement on the armour rules (love my Arms Law too much),
And if you prefer Arms Law, all you have to do is to offer the core armors instead of the way that RMC Cyradon does it. And then use Arms Law. Just remember, it is armor AND combat tables.
RMC Cyradon will have the RMX-like system because RMC Cyradon is a stand-alone book. It will not require any of the other core RMC books for play. (Well, you might want the RMC Cyradon Grimoire, since it will have the spell lists to 50th level).
I really love the folios - particularly the fact that there is both a mage and mentat folio for at least the Cealla tradition. Hopefully the other traditions are the same too?
In addition to the Generic Mage and the Generic Mentat, there are 8 traditions, and each of those traditions has its own Mage and Mentat Folios. As stated above, no one character will have access to all 9 Folios, which Folios you can select from depends upon race, culture, and tradition.
How about the semi-spell users? Are there separate traditions for them too? For example, does the Pascalline order have the same base lists as the standard Elemental Warrior? (assuming that class to be the RMC equivalent of the Warrior Mage one from HARP)
There are Generic Elemental Warriors, and then there are Elemental Warriors who belong to the Pascaline Order. There is no difference in their spell list options, for these guys the difference is in the casting style/traditions used.
(yes, you could have an Elemental Warrior of the Cealla Tradition and one of the Usirae Tradition, and while they might have the same basic lists, their methods of casting would be very different.
Now, the Ranger and the Gherek Scouts have different Folios, and the Venturer Clerks (Venturers) have their own Folio which contains some Channeling/Ranger-type lists that are not available to the generic Venturer.
What about religious orders like the Lightbringers? Are the Firebrands a Priest or Champion variant?
Firebrands are Champions, and have different Folio than the Lightbringers.
I shall definitely be ordering this as soon as a pre-order arrives on the website!
Glad to hear it. ;D
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So how are things shaping up ? 1 month, 2 months or more ?
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Well, I just finished my main go-throughof the manuscript.
On Monday, I will turn it over to my boss, and then we will see where it goes from there.
It could be less than a month, it could be more, depending on how long certain things take to get accomplished (boss' editorial pass, pagemaking, proofing, any needed rewrites, etc...).
Cannot really give a time frame - however, as I pointed out at the top of this post, progress has been made and a major milestone has just been completed.
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I'm very interested in this, although I just purchased Cyradon for HARP, I might have to give Cyradon for RM a go too...
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It is, indeed, awesome!
;D
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Progress !! Great ! :)
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That said I'd prefer if ICE would do this for Shadowworld as well as I prefer the setting.Plus it would be a great intro to RM & SW for those who might be hesitent to buy the RMC core books & SW master atlas .I'd buy a RMX/Shadoworld book if ICE published it.That's my $0.02 ;)
Seconded!
Bundling an updated version of RMX plus additions with a Shadow World sourcebook seems like a good idea that could benefit both RM and SW.
I hear there is a sourcebook in the works right now, called Emer III...
Maybe you could even consider bundling RMX with Emer I+II+III, if Terry Amthor agreed.
With updated RMX spell lists to at least level 20, and maybe somewhat higher character stats... should work.
Anyway, the word "Kulthea" sounds so much better than "Cyradon" ;)
See Rasyr ..it can be done ...give us a RMX/SW game. See if Terry can write a brief overview of the setting & either update Jaiman or a overview of Jaiman with a update of Haalkitaine. Include the EA with the SW races & rules.That would be small enough & give a teaser to the RMC rules & SW. If people like it they can then order the RMC core books & SW Master Atlas n' PDFs.
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Many thanks for the previews! Whilst I'll likely reserve judgement on the armour rules (love my Arms Law too much),
And if you prefer Arms Law, all you have to do is to offer the core armors instead of the way that RMC Cyradon does it. And then use Arms Law. Just remember, it is armor AND combat tables.
RMC Cyradon will have the RMX-like system because RMC Cyradon is a stand-alone book. It will not require any of the other core RMC books for play. (Well, you might want the RMC Cyradon Grimoire, since it will have the spell lists to 50th level).
I really love the folios - particularly the fact that there is both a mage and mentat folio for at least the Cealla tradition. Hopefully the other traditions are the same too?
In addition to the Generic Mage and the Generic Mentat, there are 8 traditions, and each of those traditions has its own Mage and Mentat Folios. As stated above, no one character will have access to all 9 Folios, which Folios you can select from depends upon race, culture, and tradition.
How about the semi-spell users? Are there separate traditions for them too? For example, does the Pascalline order have the same base lists as the standard Elemental Warrior? (assuming that class to be the RMC equivalent of the Warrior Mage one from HARP)
There are Generic Elemental Warriors, and then there are Elemental Warriors who belong to the Pascaline Order. There is no difference in their spell list options, for these guys the difference is in the casting style/traditions used.
(yes, you could have an Elemental Warrior of the Cealla Tradition and one of the Usirae Tradition, and while they might have the same basic lists, their methods of casting would be very different.
Now, the Ranger and the Gherek Scouts have different Folios, and the Venturer Clerks (Venturers) have their own Folio which contains some Channeling/Ranger-type lists that are not available to the generic Venturer.
What about religious orders like the Lightbringers? Are the Firebrands a Priest or Champion variant?
Firebrands are Champions, and have different Folio than the Lightbringers.
I shall definitely be ordering this as soon as a pre-order arrives on the website!
Glad to hear it. ;D
Gah!!! I'll have to start saving for this NOW!!!! Thanx for the update Rasyr . Though I'd still love a RMX/Shadowworld book =P
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I think I'll tackle a RMX/SW intro to submit
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I think I'll tackle a RMX/SW intro to submit
I will submit the idea to the bosses....
That is all that I can do.. ;D
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See Rasyr ..it can be done ...give us a RMX/SW game. See if Terry can write a brief overview of the setting & either update Jaiman or a overview of Jaiman with a update of Haalkitaine. Include the EA with the SW races & rules.That would be small enough & give a teaser to the RMC rules & SW. If people like it they can then order the RMC core books & SW Master Atlas n' PDFs.
I would think that the ideal thing would be to start with a relatively small area, much like the Norek module covered a small area, or perhaps the Tanara module - since those are pretty mainstream Jamain (though Norek would have to be totally redone from scratch since ICE doesn't have the full rights to it)
Something that covered a relatively small, self-contained area (not an entire continent) that could be expanded with additional products on down the line (i.e. "Region books" that gave racial info along with other information related to that particular area).
This way, other existing Shadow World products wouldn't be negated or made unusuable, and could, in fact, be expanded with supplemental material accordingly.
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Anyone (other than Terry obviously) who wishes to work on Shadow World needs to talk to me first.
Best wishes,
Nicholas
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Something that covered a relatively small, self-contained area (not an entire continent) that could be expanded with additional products on down the line (i.e. "Region books" that gave racial info along with other information related to that particular area).
This is already under development in the series of Player Guides and is discussed in the sticky in the SW forum called "Shadow World Player Guide":
http://www.ironcrown.com/ICEforums/index.php?topic=7380.0
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This is already under development in the series of Player Guides and is discussed in the sticky in the SW forum called "Shadow World Player Guide":
http://www.ironcrown.com/ICEforums/index.php?topic=7380.0
Very Cool! (I don't read every thread on the forums... hehe) :D
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Anything new on the RMC/Cyradon progress ?
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Don't know if I am allowed to say anything specific.... but you are gonna love it!!!
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If you haven't guessed, RWW is one of the playtesters
Anything new on the RMC/Cyradon progress ?
The manuscript is about ready to be turned in to my boss (once I finish my editorial pass -- still working on that, but only in small corrections and changes due to last minute comments from the playtesters.
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Sweet ... now needs to save $$$ for the book.
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Since I personally, feel that for a while there, forum staff were dominating the poll thread, I have decided to not post any further in the poll. However, if there is a post that asks a question or that needs a response, I can and will quote the relevant portions and answer the post over in this thread. Like so...
Can I get 1 module per month just for Cyradon, dual-stated for HARP and this version/implementation/whatever?
Once RM Cyradon is released, then all Cyradon modules will stats for both HARP and for RM Cyradon. Generic modules will not have RM Cyradon stats, but regular RM stats.
As for the "1 module per month" issue, that depends upon whether or not we can get authors to write enough modules to release them with that frequency. ;D
P.S. I had lunch with a new-to-RM (DND player, not 4e) friend and his opinion is that if he has to learn a new set of rules for combat (for example) then it is different version. I told him to register and post himself but I don't see that happening.
First thing to understand -- RM Cyradon does not include any new rules for combat. The rules for combat are still essentially the same as in RMX. The tables work in the exact same way as the RMX combat tables. Some of the information regarding the weapons is a little more codified, but combat is the same.
RMX has 4 armor types, but not in any sort of flexible format (each armor is a specific AT from Arms Law). RM Cyradon has 5 armor types, but in a slightly more flexible format (though not as flexible as the armor rules from Combat Companion).
However, because the armor rules are more flexible, there is no direct correspondence with the ATs from Arms Law. See below for more info... ;D
Many thanks for the previews! Whilst I'll likely reserve judgement on the armour rules (love my Arms Law too much),
And if you prefer Arms Law, all you have to do is to offer the core armors instead of the way that RMC Cyradon does it. And then use Arms Law. Just remember, it is armor AND combat tables.
I was actually in error when I made the comment (in blue) I am quoting just above.
Please keep in mind that at the time that I said that, I was still eye-ball deep in working on the manuscript, so when I revamped the armor rules for RM Cyradon, I did not and was not looking at them in regards to Arms Law, so I gave the simplest answer (and then went back to work on the manuscript).
Well, the manuscript is complete, and I am beginning work on Express Additions #14, and for it, I decided to present the flexible armor rules and the combat tables from RM Cyradon, but with the flavor text being written more generically (i.e. removing the Gryphon Armor, and the Cyradon weapons).
As I was looking at the tables for the armor rules, I had a Homer moment (i.e. I smacked my forehead and hollered "Doh!").
In short, I will be able to include a table that gives the Arms Law ATs and what their equivalent would be using the Flexible Armor rules (i.e. what combo of base armor and additional pieces), and thus, you could easily change the character's armors from Soft Leather, Reinforced Leather, Chain, Scale, or Plate to the most fitting AT from Arms Law with a minimum of fuss, and thus be able to use Arms Law with the Flexible armor.
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In short, I will be able to include a table that gives the Arms Law ATs and what their equivalent would be using the Flexible Armor rules (i.e. what combo of base armor and additional pieces), and thus, you could easily change the character's armors from Soft Leather, Reinforced Leather, Chain, Scale, or Plate to the most fitting AT from Arms Law with a minimum of fuss, and thus be able to use Arms Law with the Flexible armor.
Aaah....good to hear. I bought RMC (I haven't got it yet :) ) because I want the mastodon. I wan't optional rules till my eyes bleed, I wan't so many tables that my head falls off. I don't want any diet light crap.....I want it all and I REALLY want Cyradon to work with those rules.
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However, because the armor rules are more flexible, there is no direct correspondence with the ATs from Arms Law. See below for more info... ;D
Many thanks for the previews! Whilst I'll likely reserve judgement on the armour rules (love my Arms Law too much),
And if you prefer Arms Law, all you have to do is to offer the core armors instead of the way that RMC Cyradon does it. And then use Arms Law. Just remember, it is armor AND combat tables.
I was actually in error when I made the comment (in blue) I am quoting just above.
Please keep in mind that at the time that I said that, I was still eye-ball deep in working on the manuscript, so when I revamped the armor rules for RM Cyradon, I did not and was not looking at them in regards to Arms Law, so I gave the simplest answer (and then went back to work on the manuscript).
Well, the manuscript is complete, and I am beginning work on Express Additions #14, and for it, I decided to present the flexible armor rules and the combat tables from RM Cyradon, but with the flavor text being written more generically (i.e. removing the Gryphon Armor, and the Cyradon weapons).
As I was looking at the tables for the armor rules, I had a Homer moment (i.e. I smacked my forehead and hollered "Doh!").
In short, I will be able to include a table that gives the Arms Law ATs and what their equivalent would be using the Flexible Armor rules (i.e. what combo of base armor and additional pieces), and thus, you could easily change the character's armors from Soft Leather, Reinforced Leather, Chain, Scale, or Plate to the most fitting AT from Arms Law with a minimum of fuss, and thus be able to use Arms Law with the Flexible armor.
This was the point I'd been trying to make for a while, glad to see I'm not crazy. . . . .
Perhaps, having had a "Doh" moment here on the armor, you might want to re-check the other comments made to see if there were any other miscommunications. . .
Like, I seem to recall saying "Why not Cyradon World info + RMX - non cyradon elements like orcs + cyradon specific elements like Gryphon PCs" to get a cleanly compatable RMX version. . .and got a reply that seemed to imply I was calling for all the rules to be removed from the book. (Though perhaps you were replying to someone else.)
I can see a place for no rules, but if you're going to go with a "One book solution" I'm not seeing why not RMX rules, instead of something variant in elements like the afformentioned number of attack table columns.
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One person had suggested removing everything that was also in RMX or in RMC, which would have equated into changing this from a stand-alone game, to a setting that requires other products (which would not as salable to new customers as a stand-alone game would be).
Cyradon World info + RMX - non cyradon elements like orcs + cyradon specific elements like Gryphon PCs
This is essentially what was done. Of course, the "+ Cyradon specific elements" was larger than any other stuff. It required adding Training Packages, Cultures, the Cyradon specific races (don't forget the HARP Cyradon races are not identical to the Cyradon races either), Gifts (i.e. talents), etc. The only thing that isn't an addition, but an actual change, is the attack tables and the armor rules. There are some flavor reasons for the changes, some aesthetic reasons for the changes, and even some reasons that I cannot go into for the changes.
RMX (and the Character Creation Guide pdf -- which is itself based on RMX) was the starting point (the only real difference between the two things was the inclusion of stat potentials, and two extra skills (in including the skills from the EAs).
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I dunno, it sounds like a lot more than merely culling orcs to add gryphons. . .like I'm still lost as to the logic of why add in another column to the attack tables . . . .the RMX tables are off the cuff compatable with AL, requiring a conversion table to do it sounds like a PITA to not much benefit.
Are these tables constructed like the CC tables?
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As for the "1 module per month" issue, that depends upon whether or not we can get authors to write enough modules to release them with that frequency.
I can dream, can't I? :)
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I dunno, it sounds like a lot more than merely culling orcs to add gryphons. . .like I'm still lost as to the logic of why add in another column to the attack tables . . . .the RMX tables are off the cuff compatable with AL, requiring a conversion table to do it sounds like a PITA to not much benefit.
As I said before, there are some reasons that I cannot go into for the change, in addition to the reasons I have mentioned previously.
Are these tables constructed like the CC tables?
See the attachment below (note: the attack tables have the exact same names, and there are the same number of tables as are in RMX).
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As for the "1 module per month" issue, that depends upon whether or not we can get authors to write enough modules to release them with that frequency.
I can dream, can't I? :)
Dreaming is good!
MDC
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I'd love to see those charts in a separate booklet (like the one inside RMFRP master screen), so that I won't wear down the manual by using them! ;D
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I'd love to see those charts in a separate booklet (like the one inside RMFRP master screen), so that I won't wear down the manual by using them! ;D
The combat tables? Actually, I am planning on releasing them in an issue of Express Additions - the next issue, actually....
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That would work, too. thanks ;)
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These should be available next week sometime.
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I love the combat companion rules for - Armor by the Piece - great fix to one of the few things I feel are broken in RM. I really, really, hope that the above table is not the direction for a new system. Your response to Lord Miller:
As I said before, there are some reasons that I cannot go into for the change, in addition to the reasons I have mentioned previously.
Makes me wonder if this will be the future default table for a new RM. It is not horrible, but the tables in CC are preferable IMHO. The only thing that would make them cooler is having actual A-E crit tables for more variety.
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Future of RM? Who knows.
Right now, these are just a set of alternative tables that can be used in place of ones in RMX. They work well with the more flexible armor rules (not as robust as the armor rules from CC, but not as static as the armor rules in RMC Arms Law/RMX.
The nice part about the combat tables in EA #14 is that you can swap out the given crit tables for the ones from Arms Law and Spell Law.
And if you scroll up to Reply #93, you can see what the attack tables will look like.
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How can you tell what # the post was?
MDC
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See the circled area within the attached image..
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I do not know how I missed that. I guess I was paying too much attention to the Min Bal game.
MDC
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I'd love to see those charts in a separate booklet (like the one inside RMFRP master screen), so that I won't wear down the manual by using them! ;D
Now Available
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Cool! ;)
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So..before Christmas or after Christmas ?
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Likely after, even though I had hoped otherwise.
It has made a quick pass through editorial, and the bosses wants it trimmed a little before it moves forward again. But before that happens, ICE needs to get something else taken care of (which should happen within the next couple of weeks). I also have 2 or 3 other things currently in the pipe that also have to be taken care of before I can get back to the manuscript (all should also be complete, on my end, within the next 2 weeks or so).
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i'm hoping to run RMX in Cyradon after christmas......need play testers???? Is it going to be available soon???
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i'm hoping to run RMX in Cyradon after christmas......need play testers???? Is it going to be available soon???
It has been in development/playtesting for nearly 2 years now. ;D Just waiting on final approval for it to be able to move forward again.
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18min response time! what took you so long? LOL
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i was leaning towards SW, but I do have this shiny new Cyradon book that has never been used.....I wouls like to use RM however, so hopefully it'll be available for purchase for early january when it's my turn to run in our game group.
Thanks
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i was leaning towards SW, but I do have this shiny new Cyradon book that has never been used.....I wouls like to use RM however, so hopefully it'll be available for purchase for early january when it's my turn to run in our game group.
I am trying to get it moving again.... ;D
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Not tyrying to pressure you.....;)
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Not tyrying to pressure you.....;)
Yeah, right.... ;D
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Well if Witchking isn't trying to pressure you Rasyr I am! Lol! ;)
Seriously though.....any further updates or info would be greatly appreciated - just spent the weekend reading my HARP Cyradon from cover to cover and can't wait to see how the RM version handles things....
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Well, if the reactions of the playtesters are any indication, I think you will be pleased.
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I can't wait. I think seeing RM in a new setting will be great! I love a lot of the cyradon concepts, and am curious about how you will have used RM with them
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And now I'd like to hear: Ho Ho Ho! look what Santa's finished....
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And now I'd like to hear: Ho Ho Ho! look what Santa's finished....
More likely to be "Look what the Easter bunny got me!"...
But don't despair... it will be worth the wait...
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More likely to be "Look what the Easter bunny got me!"...
Well, hopefully it won't be that long.
But don't despair... it will be worth the wait...
That does seem to be the consenus among the playtesters. ;D
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to whet the appetite a little bit...
In an earlier post, I attached an image of one of the attack tables. Here is it again, along with an image of part of the weapon statistics table
Next up is an image of one of the pages from the magic chapter (this is from the playtester's PDF, so it includes some markup text about the tables to be inserted, even though the tables are there). It shows 3 different Folios for mages and mentats from Cyradon.
And the last image shows the professional level bonuses for some of the professions.
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Thanks again Rasyr for the previews :)
So hopefully between now and Easter for the finished product? Sounds good......the sooner the better! Will there be a 'first draft' release like there was with Combat Companion in pdf form perhaps? (without the cover art, etc) - it's a good way to pick up some typos and errata ;D
Another question I have is about the Grimoire you've mentioned - how is this product progressing and will it be ready for release shortly after RM Cyradon?
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So hopefully between now and Easter for the finished product? Sounds good......the sooner the better! Will there be a 'first draft' release like there was with Combat Companion in pdf form perhaps? (without the cover art, etc) - it's a good way to pick up some typos and errata ;D
Could be sooner if ICE gets the permission to proceed soon. And yes, there is a possibility of a beta (essentially, the playtester copy) while the final version is pagemade. Note that I said possibility, as I am not the one to make that sort of decision.
Another question I have is about the Grimoire you've mentioned - how is this product progressing and will it be ready for release shortly after RM Cyradon?
Well, actually haven't started working on it yet, but then again, it would not take long at all to get completed. Most of the material would come from Spell Law (the primary audience for RM Cyradon is those who have not played RM before, so that will shape things a bit), with the spell lists being updated (i.e. blanks filled in like in RMFRP).
The whole purpose of the Grimoire is to have the full spell lists (to 50th level) available in one place (again, this is based on the idea that our primary audience will be folks who had not played RM before, and thus we don't want to force them to purchase multiple products to get the full lists). It is a convenience product for folks, not a "new and exciting" product. ;D
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Great news! Here's hoping you get permission to proceed soon..........and as I think I've said before, as soon as the order's up on the website for the pdf my money will be (well) spent!
The Grimoire sounds essentially everything I hoped it to be, as I never could really understand why Spell Law was re-released for RM Classic without incorporating the additions in the blanks that RMFRP had. So whilst it may not be 'new' it is certainly exciting to have those lists re-balanced, and in one place, as well as the few new additional lists. It shouldn't take too long to get completed either, as most of the groundwork has already been done, as you say. If you need any more proofreaders let me know ;D
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Just to be clear - the Grimoire will not contain every single spell list from Spell Law. For example, the closed channeling healing lists and the Healer and Lay Healer spell lists will not be included. Nor does it include the Life Mastery list (lifegiving is EXTREMELY uncommon!!).
However, chances are that we will add a few more Open and Closed Spell lists, and with the upcoming Essence Companion Conversion, we could possibly add a few of those as well. ;D Key word there is "possibly" since we don't know for sure yet.
Here are three images that show all of the spell lists that will be included in RM Cyradon. Most are from Spell Law. Some are from RoCo I (some with slight changes, such as Stone Mastery now having a spell that summons stones to be used in other spells on the list), as well as the lists released through several issues of Express Additions.. and the spell lists from the Combat Companion.
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Thanks again for these previews. :) While I'm not surprised about some of the lists not being included the absence of the some of the healing lists is a bit of a surprise, as it had been said that healing is ability is relatively common (and I see that a lot of the folios include Concussion's Ways), but then there is the Major Healing list which does nicely bring a lot of that ability into one list!
Another question that I've thought about is how spells are learnt - I'm guessing that the individual spell acquisition option (max 3 ranks/level, develop 5 lists max/level, cost of 2/2/2) will be used and if so are base list spells any easier to learn like they were in RMFRP (where they were cheaper to develop than Open/Closed lists)?
Really please to see Druidstaff and Stone Mastery though - two of my favourite lists (My most recent Character is a Druid) ;D
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Another question that I've thought about is how spells are learnt - I'm guessing that the individual spell acquisition option (max 3 ranks/level, develop 5 lists max/level, cost of 2/2/2) will be used
Yes, same as in RMX.
and if so are base list spells any easier to learn like they were in RMFRP (where they were cheaper to develop than Open/Closed lists)?
No, the costs are the same, however, there are maximum limits to which Open and Closed spells may be learned.
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So...what's up? Any news ?
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No news yet. Sorry...
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:'(
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Bah and here I checked because I thought you posted because there was some news :/
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We are all waiting for news boys...
give it some more time...
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OK so now it has gone "some more time".....
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Okay, things are moving forward again.
Perhaps not as quickly as some of you guys might like, but it is moving forward again.
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Well I guess it is looking like not before the Easter Bunny arrives :(
Any update?
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Sorry, apparently not before Easter, but things ARE progressing..
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What formats will there be ? (don't know if i got that sentence right but hey I'm Swedish ;)) softback, hardback, leather ?
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PDF and softback for sure. Most likely hardback as well. Not sure about others.
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So Easter is passing by....any news ?
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Other than things are progressing, no. ;D
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Hmm, I guess since so many people are hungry for this product it wont get cancelled out of annoyance ^^
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Hmm, I guess since so many people are hungry for this product it wont get cancelled out of annoyance ^^
They'll cave in eventually and release the product ;)
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RM Cyradon will be released. But before we can finish it, I have to first finish another project (which bears on RM Cyradon, and that we haven't announced yet).
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RM Cyradon will be released. But before we can finish it, I have to first finish another project (which bears on RM Cyradon, and that we haven't announced yet).
Oooh...now I'm curious...
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Now Rasyr, that is not kind of you. Do you imagine the long nights we will spend awaken trying to guess what this new secret product will be ?
No chance to get a hint ? ::)
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Sorry, no hints. I cannot say anything more than I already have.
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So another month goes by....any news ?
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You are just trying to make me give a time reference, aren't you? We all know what happens when we do that! Murphy comes in and kicks over the apple cart, blowing schedules all to hell and back....
As said previously, there is another project that has bearing on RM Cyradon and that other project has to be completed first. I will say that that other project will likely be a few more weeks or so, at least. Work on this progresses smoothly
Plus, I have also been given another project to work on as well (this one being easy, since it is a compilation of the spell using professions from the EAs for release in a print product). This one will be released before that other project mentioned above.
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Its good to see the excitement about RM Cyradon! I've got the HARP book, but becasue I am an ultra-nerd, I'll likely purcahse the RM version as well.....
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Now Rasyr, that is not kind of you. Do you imagine the long nights we will spend awaken trying to guess what this new secret product will be ?
No chance to get a hint ? ::)
I will say this much... The recently announced Spell Law II is NOT the project that I was referring to...
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the witchking holds his breath in stunned silence
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Gah! Can't you give us a teensy hint? Is it Cyradon or RMx related?
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First question - umm... no
Second question - yes
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Cool ... I can't wait for the big reveal Rayser.
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Maybe Rasyr can post some hints, if we all promise not to read them ;D
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Yes do so Rasyr .. we promise to not read them <crosses fingers & sniggers...then bows head to chest & whispers "I'm lying" > LOL
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Yes do so Rasyr .. we promise to not read them <crosses fingers & sniggers...then bows head to chest & whispers "I'm lying" > LOL
That got you a laugh point....
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The fall of Tarahir is imminent in my campaign,could really use hmm... how about a book describing Cyradon ? Any news ?
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The fall of Tarahir is imminent in my campaign,could really use hmm... how about a book describing Cyradon ? Any news ?
Here ya go!
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Well I would rather go for Cyradon RMC but the HARP version look more and more tempting.
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Well it has almost been a month since my last "harassment" so...any news ? ;D
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Only that things are progressing along...
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You're on tough nut to crack Rasyr :-X
But still.. I'm happy with progress.
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Things are moving forward more slowly than I personally like, but they are still moving forward at least. ;D
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Things are moving forward more slowly than I personally like
More slowly than I like as well! :D
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Oh no ! I missed my monthly nagging, well here it goes...any news ?
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Oh no ! I missed my monthly nagging, well here it goes...any news ?
Only that things are still progressing, and that we are much closer to the "big reveal" as one poster called it. :D
Cool ... I can't wait for the big reveal Rayser.
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You know, making a "Big Reveal" is illegal in many US States and Canadian Provinces. :Joker2:
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You know, making a "Big Reveal" is illegal in many US States and Canadian Provinces. :Joker2:
Only if done in public.... :P
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Been away on holiday so I'm a little late....: Any news ?
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Not yet, but hopefully very soon...
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Yo ho ! Anyone here ?
The voice echoes down the empty halls of the Cyradon for RMC designers castle (or at least office building). The customer wanders around in darkness hoping for the light of the "big reveal" and suddenly.....
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He becomes lost in the darkness and wanders forever without finding his way back out again. He becomes a spirit, trapped within those halls, endlessly seeking forbidden release dates and product updates free from the influence of Murphy
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Forgive me for asking but why not just use the same book and modify the sections as required?
I.E. Lightbringers of tarahiri are clerics so get cleric base lists but also get light law...
Monsters have applicable at equal to full covering I.e. 20, 16, 12, or 1...
Only thing that needs changing is races that can be taken and the stat bonuses- stat is 75 so that can be calculated...
Anything else I'm missing?
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Sure I'll buy the Harp one and do the conversions myself as long as someone confirms that there won't be anything new added to the RMC version
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The RM Cyradon product does not contain any new setting material
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Thanx order sent.
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Soo.. now I have the Harp version....but I still wan't the official RMC version...any news ? ;D (I won't give up you know)
Btw any plans to release Ruins of Kausur in RMC format ? I would really like that too.
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Now now guys (girls?) besides that the silent treatment is immature it won't work. Iv'e been asking for the Cyradon RMC for since July 26, 2009,do you really think I will stop ??
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My apologies for the delay in getting this response for you. I needed to track down some info and clarify some questions.
Current status on this project is that it is in an editorial review. This process is taking far longer than normal as we want to ensure that any rules changes described in the document are required for the setting, and don't create a new version of Rolemaster. Sorry for the delays, but we need to make sure that quality and consistency comes first.
Thanks for your patience.
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Well progress....me like :)
And you're right, I'll wait for quality...good to hear that things are moving forward.
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Thanks for your understanding. We hope that we live up to your expectations and more...
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Humdedumdedum...so any news ?
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The original approach to the project led to a self-contained systems/setting book, which was too large for reasonable pricing and had significant changes from the standard RMC rules set. The product material willl be reworked and the end result willl be a setting product with support for existing rules systems.
We can not yet set a delivery date for this product, but it is being worked on.
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Great with an update about the status of the project.