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Systems & Settings => Rolemaster => RMC/RM2 => Topic started by: Akrasia on October 31, 2007, 07:31:42 PM
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I don't know if Rasyr (or anyone else) has time to do this, but I think it would be great to see RMX/RMC versions of some RMSS classes, namely, the dabbler, magent, and paladin.
(One of the things that I liked about RMSS is that they got rid of three professions that nobody ever really played -- alchemist, seer, and astrologer -- and replaced them with three rather nifty semi-spelluser classes.)
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I don't know if Rasyr (or anyone else) has time to do this, but I think it would be great to see RMX/RMC versions of some RMSS classes, namely, the dabbler, magent, and paladin.
(One of the things that I liked about RMSS is that they got rid of three professions that nobody ever really played -- alchemist, seer, and astrologer -- and replaced them with three rather nifty semi-spelluser classes.)
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The Delver, Nightblade and Paladin return in Rolemaster Companion I
The Champion, Venturer, and Magister appear in the Combat Companion.
Best wishes,
Nicholas
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That's Champion, Venturer and Elemental Warrior (the name Magister got changed at playtester request).
;D
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When is RMI coming out?
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Oh can a sticky of what all the abreviations are be posted?
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I don't know if Rasyr (or anyone else) has time to do this, but I think it would be great to see RMX/RMC versions of some RMSS classes, namely, the dabbler, magent, and paladin.
(One of the things that I liked about RMSS is that they got rid of three professions that nobody ever really played -- alchemist, seer, and astrologer -- and replaced them with three rather nifty semi-spelluser classes.)
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The Delver, Nightblade and Paladin return in Rolemaster Companion I
The Champion, Venturer, and Magister appear in the Combat Companion.
Best wishes,
Nicholas
Sounds good. :)
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When is RMI coming out?
Once all the artwork is in and the layout is complete.
Best wishes,
Nicholas
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PETITION:
Raysr,
At least, introduce Paladin to RMX/RMC in coming Express Additions, please.
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Raysr,
At least, introduce Paladin to RMX/RMC in coming Express Additions, please.
Not likely to happen.
ICE does not own the rights to Rolemaster Companion I, so I could not give you that Paladin. You have to wait for The Guild Companion to rerelease RoCoI to get access to it.
I wrote a profession called the Champion, kinda like a generic Paladin that could be used for any deity, for the Combat Companion (i.e. I did 3 combat-oriented semi-spell using professions for CC). I don't want to spoil it by providing it early. ;D
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Yet RMFRP has a paladin, so why can't a paladin be presented in that fashion (with six base list, not 10 to pick amongst)?
Just curious. I wanna paladin, I just make a fighter, a talent such as ordained by god XXX, Social Status, Able to enforce common law, etc, and give the spell list I think he should have, with no level/profession bonus for OB skills.
lynn
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Yet RMFRP has a paladin, so why can't a paladin be presented in that fashion
Just curious.
The idea is to not step on The Guild Companion's toes, or introduce something that I am already planning on doing in a different manner than is done in RMFRP (stepping on my own toes).
If you, or anybody else, wants to port the RMFRP Paladin to RMC, that is fine and dandy. And I have no problems with that. However, there won't be any official port of the Paladin.
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Then, I'm looking forward to the Combat Companion as well as RoCoI ;)
THANKS.
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Yet RMFRP has a paladin, so why can't a paladin be presented in that fashion
Just curious.
The idea is to not step on The Guild Companion's toes, or introduce something that I am already planning on doing in a different manner than is done in RMFRP (stepping on my own toes).
If you, or anybody else, wants to port the RMFRP Paladin to RMC, that is fine and dandy. And I have no problems with that. However, there won't be any official port of the Paladin.
What about 'Arcane' Professions/spell lists, since they first showed up in RC1?
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I've asked about that before, I think (also about the Black Reaver, which was in the first Rolemaster Companion). I don't recall what the reply was precisely, but it seems that the 'arcane' idea is certainly OK. I guess that a spelluser that looked exactly like a Companion I spellcaster might be problematic.
As for Paladin, there might be room for a different sort of Holy Warrior, I guess? If it were sufficiently different to the other Paladin (and didn't a different paladin reappear in a later Companion, too?).
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The concept of Arcane is just an idea. The actual implementations in either RM2 format or in the RMSS form as Arcane Companion aren't currently available.
As for the Holy Warrior, you'll get the Paladin back in the refurbished Rolemaster Companion I and the Champion (Tim's take on a more generic spell-using channeling warrior) in the Combat Companion.
Patience :-)
Best wishes,
Nicholas
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Humm...
It seems odd that the idea of 'paladin' which is nigh universal in RPGs could be denied/copy righted.
So what is the situation with ICE and the Guild? How does ICE not have the rights to their old stuff? I obviously missed a chapter in the companies history. Is this from back when they went bankrupt?
Just curious.
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It isn't the concept of "Paladin", it is the implementation.
And my reasons for not wanting to do one in Express Additions is simple, doing so steps on the toes of other things that ICE (and The Guild Companion) have going on. That simple. It is already being done in 2 different ways in 2 different products. Doing it a third time is just plain silly.
And yes, it is back from when the old ICE went bankrupt - remember, we are not that same company as that old ICE.
Due to the bankruptcy, ownership of much of the IP returned to the authors. That means that for ICE to republish or re-use material from those products, we, the current ICE, have to purchase it from the authors.
Certain products, like many of the RM Companions had multiple authors and we do not have contact information for them (especially, not after 10-20 years).
ICE has made a deal with the Guild Companion. If they can track down and get the authors to agree to sell their rights to ICE, TGC gets to publish the product (It is a bit more complicated, but that is the general gist of it). Once TGC publishes one of the old products, ICE gets to develop NEW material based on that material (i.e. derivative material -- something not allowed otherwise).
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Humm...
It seems odd that the idea of 'paladin' which is nigh universal in RPGs could be denied/copy righted.
Tim has already explained that he does not want to undercut his own work (i.e. the Champion) by introducing a RMSS-derived Paladin, and likewise he does not want to undercut the Combat Companion by bringing the Champion forward. He has also indicated that he does not want to undercut us bringing back Rolemaster Companion I, which will bring back the original Paladin and the original Nightblade and Arcane, and in due course bring of all that material into ICE's ownership.
So what is the situation with ICE and the Guild? How does ICE not have the rights to their old stuff? I obviously missed a chapter in the companies history. Is this from back when they went bankrupt?
This is all fallout from the bankruptcy. The old contracts have reversion clauses whereby the copyright of works produced by freelancers reverted to the freelancers at old ICE's bankruptcy.
Best wishes,
Nicholas
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Humm...
It seems odd that the idea of 'paladin' which is nigh universal in RPGs could be denied/copy righted.
Tim has already explained that he does not want to undercut his own work (i.e. the Champion) by introducing a RMSS-derived Paladin, and likewise he does not want to undercut the Combat Companion by bringing the Champion forward. He has also indicated that he does not want to undercut us bringing back Rolemaster Companion I, which will bring back the original Paladin and the original Nightblade and Arcane, and in due course bring of all that material into ICE's ownership.
So what is the situation with ICE and the Guild? How does ICE not have the rights to their old stuff? I obviously missed a chapter in the companies history. Is this from back when they went bankrupt?
This is all fallout from the bankruptcy. The old contracts have reversion clauses whereby the copyright of works produced by freelancers reverted to the freelancers at old ICE's bankruptcy.
Best wishes,
Nicholas
True, he did, but his explanation did not make clear why the 'Paladin' concept was denied. The reversion clause bit explains it however.
So, when will RM companion 1 be coming out?
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True, he did, but his explanation did not make clear why the 'Paladin' concept was denied. The reversion clause bit explains it however.
So, when will RM companion 1 be coming out?
Early next year is my expectation. Rick Hansen has a new cover and some internal artwork to complete (the ownership of the original art is too unclear for us to use it), once that is in, Andrew Ridgway can complete his layout, and we (ICE, TGC, and Mark Colborn [the author]) formally sign off on the whole deal.
best wishes,
Nicholas
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Certain products, like many of the RM Companions had multiple authors and we do not have contact information for them (especially, not after 10-20 years).
Well, you have my contact info now and I am personal friends with two other contributors to RoCo VII, as well.
I have started reworking some of my old material to better fit with RMC.
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Well, you have my contact info now and I am personal friends with two other contributors to RoCo VII, as well.
I have started reworking some of my old material to better fit with RMC.
Well, make sure to contact Nick then. TGC has the exclusive rights to reproduce any and all RM2 Companions that ICE does not have full ownership of.
I am presuming that you were an author for RoCo VII, like those 2 others you mentioned. If that is the case, Nick only has to track down 24 more authors before he can reproduce it in its entirety. ;D
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lol Tim. In its entirety. As if it would be worth the effort.
There were several spell list I enjoyed in Comp VII, like Bubble Magic, Fey Magic and innate list for undead and dragons.
lynn
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One would hope, I guess, that it would happen largely without effort expended by ICE or GC themselves. Of course, that's not entirely likely, but if Setorn brings himself and two others, without being searched out, maybe it'll happen at least in large part.
I wonder if some of the authors don't even know that the rights have reverted to them because of the bankruptcy, depending on when they dropped off the radar. Some could even be dead by now.
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Here's a suggestion for another Express Addition.
To go along with the simplified skills and combat system, a single roll for spell casting (similar to what was done in the old RMC I guess) would be awesome. Then all the major resolution systems could be resolved with a single roll.
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Oh, here is something else that would be nice, something that I think has been missing in all versions of RM and Harp:
Benchmarks for attributes. What does a 100 Me represent? What is the difference between a 70 and an 80? Why is a 101, 102, etc so much better... what do they represent? Just something I would have always liked to see.
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Spell resolution is currently single roll (for the all but the elemental attack spells). The caster only makes 1 roll.
Or were you talking about combining the caster's roll and the target's roll? That would be slightly problematical.
The only way that I could see something like this working, is if it were something like the following (this is off the top of my head -- coming up with it as I write it):
Defender RR = 75 + Racial RR Mod + Stat Bonus + Level; caster has to make casting roll (caster has skill in list - normal skill progression, plus stats, list known to number of ranks in list) and meet or beat targets RR number...
Thus a 5th level Dwarf with an Empathy stat of 90 would have an Essence RR of 120 (75 base + 40 racial + 0 stat [+10 from the 90 & -10 from racial mod] + 5 level).
And if a caster knew the Dispelling Ways list to 8th level, he would have 8 ranks (+40, and if his Empath Stat and Re stat bonuses were both +10, and he was 8th level, that would give him a bonus of 58 (40 ranks + 10 stats + 8 level). The caster would have to roll 62 or higher (adjusted by normal casting modifiers) when casting a spell from the list in order for it to effect the target.
Tywyll - you wanna play test that for me, and let me know how it works? If it works okay, I'll add it as an Express Additions Option.
Benchmarks -- kinda hard to do when each race and creature uses that same 1-100 scale from the frog to the dragon. The numbers are relative only for a single race (or related group of races).
Next EA will contain a LOT of Shadow World races statted up for RMX -- about 44 of them. Plus a few other things. The issue after will begin a series of Conversions for using RMX with Cyradon.
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Spell resolution is currently single roll (for the all but the elemental attack spells). The caster only makes 1 roll.
Or were you talking about combining the caster's roll and the target's roll? That would be slightly problematical.
The only way that I could see something like this working, is if it were something like the following (this is off the top of my head -- coming up with it as I write it):
Defender RR = 75 + Racial RR Mod + Stat Bonus + Level; caster has to make casting roll (caster has skill in list - normal skill progression, plus stats, list known to number of ranks in list) and meet or beat targets RR number...
Thus a 5th level Dwarf with an Empathy stat of 90 would have an Essence RR of 120 (75 base + 40 racial + 0 stat [+10 from the 90 & -10 from racial mod] + 5 level).
And if a caster knew the Dispelling Ways list to 8th level, he would have 8 ranks (+40, and if his Empath Stat and Re stat bonuses were both +10, and he was 8th level, that would give him a bonus of 58 (40 ranks + 10 stats + 8 level). The caster would have to roll 62 or higher (adjusted by normal casting modifiers) when casting a spell from the list in order for it to effect the target.
Tywyll - you wanna play test that for me, and let me know how it works? If it works okay, I'll add it as an Express Additions Option.
Benchmarks -- kinda hard to do when each race and creature uses that same 1-100 scale from the frog to the dragon. The numbers are relative only for a single race (or related group of races).
Next EA will contain a LOT of Shadow World races statted up for RMX -- about 44 of them. Plus a few other things. The issue after will begin a series of Conversions for using RMX with Cyradon.
I'd love to give it a try. I'll see what I can do :)
I'll let you know what comes up.
Thing about the attributes, it does get weird, so maybe the benchmarks could be based on total bonus rather than attribute number? That way you don't have to explain why the difference in 100 and 101 is so much larger than, say, 70 and 71.
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A few suggestions for future Express Additions.
-Extra stats gaining system by spending DPs (Maybe it's rather needless for level 1-10?....as those fixed stats for RMX seem sturdy enough for the low level characters, compared to the random generating system of RM2/RMC and the 660 point-buy system of RMSS/FRP).
-Race specific or campaign specific traits gaind by spending DPs. I think they can add some fancy flavor to Shadow World or Cyrdon campaign.
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A few suggestions for future Express Additions.
-Extra stats gaining system by spending DPs (Maybe it's rather needless for level 1-10?....as those fixed stats for RMX seem sturdy enough for the low level characters, compared to the random generating system of RM2/RMC and the 660 point-buy system of RMSS/FRP).
That is a possibility. I will keep it in mind.
-Race specific or campaign specific traits gaind by spending DPs. I think they can add some fancy flavor to Shadow World or Cyrdon campaign.
Well, wouldn't this be covered (the campaign specific traits) by the Adventure Rewards rules in EA #2? And it could easily be tailored to be used for racial traits as well.
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-Race specific or campaign specific traits gaind by spending DPs. I think they can add some fancy flavor to Shadow World or Cyrdon campaign.
Well, wouldn't this be covered (the campaign specific traits) by the Adventure Rewards rules in EA #2? And it could easily be tailored to be used for racial traits as well.
Oops, I forgot to check it up. Thanks for reminding me of it. :P