Topic: MMP, Encumbrance & Weight Penalties

[craggles]

Hi all,

I normally left the above calculations to the Excel character sheet but now that I've added the new Combat Companion Armour Ratings to the sheet, I'm in need of clarification. 

As far as I can work out, I understand the following (and please correct me if I'm wrong)...

MMP (Movement Manoeuvre Penalty) - This is your Armour's Min Penalty or your Armour's Max penalty PLUS your Armour Skill depending on which is the lower result of the two. (RMFRP p34)
This MMP is used as a penalty against all MMs (Movement Manoeuvres) rolls (and 3 times the penalty for the swimming skill). It also acts as a penalty to your Quickness bonus used in your DB calculations (but it only cancels out the Qu bonus - doesn't take it lower than 0). This does not effect your OB (Offensive Bonus) as far as I can tell.

Encumbrance - This is a penalty based on the -8 per multiple over the character's weight allowance (10% of the character's weight) you are. (RMFRP p56)
This doesn't seem to effect anything besides the character's Weight Penalty (below)

Weight Penalty - This is worked out by adding your MMP, Encumbrance and 3 times your Strength Bonus. (RMFRP p56)
This only seems to effect the maximum pace you can travel at.

Do any of the above penalties effect the skills (Besides the MMP) or do any effect your Offensive Bonus?

I would have thought that your Weight Penalty would also effect your MM skills as well as the MMP and that both would also effect your OBs but I can't seem to find more info on it in the book. And the Encumbrance, is it really ONLY used in calculating the Weight Penalty and nothing else?

Thanks for your help and clarification.

[craggles]

I recall having a reply about the new AR MMPs here - http://www.ironcrown.com/ICEforums/index.php?topic=8475.msg108849#msg108849 which said that the MMPs are used against the Missile OBs as well as the other OBs as well so I guess that's one part of the question answered.

[craggles]

But as for the Encumbrance and Weight Penalties - am I right in thinking that the Encumbrance is used to work out the Weight Penalty and nothing else - and that the Weight Penalty is only used to determining maximum pace?

Does either the Encumbrance or Weight penalty affect MMs or OBs? 

[RandalThor]

MMP (Movement Manoeuvre Penalty) - This is your Armour's Min Penalty or your Armour's Max penalty PLUS your Armour Skill depending on which is the lower result of the two. (RMFRP p34)

I think this is the higher of the two. In other words: whatever is worse for the character.

Example: The armor has a MMP of -15, but you have only gotten your skill to get it down to -23. The -23 is what you use.

[craggles]

ah - when I say 'lower', I mean the higher negative value: -23 is lower than -15 

[markc]

Craggles;
 Sorry I did not get to you sooner I got tied up with some stuff.

Answers from RMSS#5500

1) The MMP: is the armors Max Maneuver Penalty minus the wearers skill in that armor. The penalty to MM cannot go below the armors min penalty. Note there are ways to alter the Min Maneuver Penalty by magic, materials or custom fitting. The mods should be listed in the armor section.

2) Encumberence Penalty: It says the PC's MMP is equal to the sum of his Enc Pen and his Armor MMP.
3) Weight Penalty is only used for your pace. It also includes both the armor Qu penalty and the PC's encumbrance penalty.

 [Note: I did have the formulas but took them out as IMO it gives away game material.]

MDC

[craggles]

Thanks Mark

I'll add the Encumbrance as well as the Armour Penalty to all MMs and OBs.
I think I'll blame you - my player's aren't going to like it. 

[Note: I did have the formulas but took them out as IMO it gives away game material.]

That's okay - I have the formulas in the RMFRP book but it only seemed to talk about the Armour Penalty affecting the MMs only and didn't mention the OBs or the Encumbrance penalty affecting anything other than the Weight Penalty.

Thanks again.

[markc]

 Yes that is because OB's are a type of MM's and that could be made more clear.

 Just tell them that it is me because having a few more PC's curing me will not bother me one bit.You can also expect your PC's to start asking about quick release backpacks or even bags of holding or backpacks of holding after the info. Depending on your game world you may or may not allow them. In my game world they are much sought after items do to there aid in removing penalties to MM's.

MDC

[craggles]

One has already asked about a bag of holding

I think it's a big cheat from the realism of Rolemaster so they don't exist at all in my world (wich is a very low magic setting)