Topic: Blade Store Spell

[HawksNut]

Question to other GM's

I have a party that has one Warrior Mage who just advanced to 5th level and his Warrior's Weapon spell list now grants him Blade Store. The party also has a Magician and he, the Warrior Mage, wants the Magician to impart one of his spells in his sword.

The language seems clear to me that it can only be a spell the Warrior Mage can cast but I want to get other's thoughts?

[Ecthelion]

IMO it is pretty clear that the Warrior Mage needs to cast the spell that gets stored.

[Warl]

Yes, They have to be able to cast the spell themself. I have a Player in my own game that uses that list.

[MariusH]

This is probably not likely to occur often, but what if the mage and warrior mage both had a rank in channeling? I guess then it would be possible for the mage to channel a spell through the warrior mage, thus allowing this spell to be imbedded in the blade? Or would that not count as the warrior mage actually casting the spell?

[Peter R]

Could the Magician place the spell to be stored on runepaper to enable the Warrior Mage to cast it?

[Warl]

This is probably not likely to occur often, but what if the mage and warrior mage both had a rank in channeling? I guess then it would be possible for the mage to channel a spell through the warrior mage, thus allowing this spell to be imbedded in the blade? Or would that not count as the warrior mage actually casting the spell?

Better have more than a rank, Else that spell will end up being supremely costly and have a High chance of Burnout.

[Warl]

Could the Magician place the spell to be stored on runepaper to enable the Warrior Mage to cast it?

I don't know that I would allow this method, the channeling, sure, but the Rune paper is the spell already cast (not by the warrior mage) and is just waiting to be released.

Storing a spell is like creating a Rune scroll... basically pre-casting the spell into a matrix to await release.... the Warrior mage isn't casting the spell from the rune he is releasing it.

[Cory Magel]

Agree that the Warrior Mage needs to cast the spell, but I suspect I'd allow the a scroll to be used.  I think the idea that the Warrior Mage is not 'casting' the spell themselves is kind of nitpicking... they are activating the spell in order to insert it into the blade.  Splitting hairs on when a spell is 'cast' vs 'activated' seems unneeded.

Now, if it's a question of game balance, if there's some reason I don't want to let them do it for that reason, I'd simply rule it needs to be a spell the Warrior Mage knows.

[gog]

I think I'd up the difficulty of casting from Rune Paper as it is moving the spell from one storage device to another - and that's the bit where I'd have issues with allow it.

[Peter R]

I would allow the runepaper casting but there would be natural penalties to the attunement runes roll anyway if the Warrior Mage could not cast the spell. There is that discussion about the Lich spell where you (by the letter of the description) need to cast 20x20th level spells every day for 20 days. The use of rune paper in that situation was also put forward as a solution to the massive powerpoint demands.

[markc]

In the past by old ICE I thought that the rule was the Warrior Mage had to cast the spell and with using rune paper you were just releasing the spell, but I have not done a search to find the topic or even if it still exists after some corruptions of the back up data bases.


But as always I am looking for some good rules and changes to them and if this works for you and you can provide good solid info for me I just might adopt the change myself as a House Rule.
MDC

[Peter R]

In the past by old ICE I thought that the rule was the Warrior Mage had to cast the spell and with using rune paper you were just releasing the spell, but I have not done a search to find the topic or even if it still exists after some corruptions of the back up data bases.


But as always I am looking for some good rules and changes to them and if this works for you and you can provide good solid info for me I just might adopt the change myself as a House Rule.
MDC

I won't be able to do that as I don't have warrior mages in my game. I am just a fan of having characters collaborate.

[markc]

the same issue has arisen do to spell store, either by spell or an item with spell store. Do you allow a person with a spell store item to store a spell from an rune? It boils down to allowing time to reduce penalties to later cast a spell at instant speeds.


ie some issues in the past have been:
1) Fighter type with spell stored attack spell (fire ball, lightning bolt, area attack spell around them, etc)
2) Fighter types with spell stored healing spells
3) Spell casters with spells from other lists the do not have, other professions, other realms
4) Can any spell be spell stored? ie transfer wound spell, would or would not transfer wounds to item?


MDC

[Peter R]

Cases 1,2 & 3: I personally have no objection to this. The rune is a pretty much a single use item (in the combat time frame) so if the party decide to use that up prior to the fight giving it to the fighter type to spell store is a strategic decision which will sometimes work and other times not. I would enforce the powerpoint cosst of the spell store, so to store a fireball (8th level) would cost 8pp. That would effectively put a cap on many fighter types storing spells in this way if they lacked enough power points to store the spell.

In case 4 I personally think yes any spell can be stored because the spell store spell is cast prior to the spell to be stored. The spell you want to store is not targetting the item but rather into the 'net' of the storing spell.

That is my interpretation.