Topic: Martial artists attacks and crit tables

[Zut]

Upon creating a Monk, some questions arose. When you take the MA style Dragon Style, it says you can do a grapple crit. Is it added to the MA crit, or alone on a different attack?

Also, in the MA style skill description, it says you need to have at least the same number of ranks in MA strike or MA sweep than for the style. But which crit table do you use? No style is linked with a specific MA crit table.

Finally, is there a way for martial artists to do large attacks?

[Zut]

Any answer?

[Thom @ ICE]

Each style applies to the MA you want to connect it to.  I could see people making a case for Dragon Style to be a Strike attack or a Sweep attack - but I recommend you choose one to apply it to.  Here are my recommendations -

Dragon Style - Sweep (or Grapple - select one or the other when making the attack)
Monkey Style - Strike
Tiger Claw Style - Strike
Weapon Kata - Weapon style

Martial Artists doing Large attacks - not simply, but there may be a way to combine talents. 

[Old Man]

Hi all,

Follow up Qs:
Tiger Claw indicates a Slash in addition to a Strike. Separate roll? Same roll, but take both results?
If you have a creature with natural weapons (a Gryphon) and Martial arts. Do they use the Strike table, Slash table or player choice?

Thanks,
Old Man

[Thom @ ICE]

Tiger Claw Style has a few benefits.
1 - Attack is made as a Medium Slash
2 - The Character may use Chi Defense
3 - The Character may make multiple attacks
4 - The Character may attack multiple opponents

A gryphon performing martial arts uses martial arts strike or sweep (as per their training)
If they wish to use their claws as natural weapons, they use the slash table.

[Old Man]

Tiger Claw Style has a few benefits.
1 - Attack is made as a Medium Slash
2 - The Character may use Chi Defense
3 - The Character may make multiple attacks
4 - The Character may attack multiple opponents

A gryphon performing martial arts uses martial arts strike or sweep (as per their training)
If they wish to use their claws as natural weapons, they use the slash table.

OK. So the Martial Artist uses the Slash table instead of Strike.
A Gryphon with Martial Arts uses the Strike table, but if they were brawling? they would use Slash (or if they took Tiger Claws)?

[Thom @ ICE]

Martial artist only uses slash table while wielding Tiger Claw Combat Style.
Similarly a gryphon or tiger would use slash table when wielding their natural weapons.

If the gryphon decided to train in martial arts then unless their style is one that caters to their natural weaponry, it would still result in MA Strikes damage.  If the style caters to the natural weaponry, then it would use slash.

[Old Man]

...If the gryphon decided to train in martial arts then unless their style is one that caters to their natural weaponry, it would still result in MA Strikes damage.  If the style caters to the natural weaponry, then it would use slash.

Almost got this figured out. Assume the Martial Artist does not take a style (we only have 2nd Ed to work with), he would use Strikes. If the Style (like Tiger) calls out Slash, then he slashes.

If the Gryphon did not use martial arts, but say a brawling (or equiv skill), then he would use Slash?

[Thom @ ICE]

Correct, yes, yes or no...

For brawling it depends on how he attacks.
GM needs to decide if it is a slashing attack, a grappling attack, or even a crush attack.... not likely to be a puncture.  Your decision based upon how they describe it.

[Old Man]

Correct, yes, yes or no...

For brawling it depends on how he attacks.
GM needs to decide if it is a slashing attack, a grappling attack, or even a crush attack.... not likely to be a puncture.  Your decision based upon how they describe it.

The player was asking about use of his claws, as I noted, so Slashing it would be. Thanks.