Topic: HARP revised with little formatting errors

[Zut]

Let's get started for another round!

p. 32

Maneuvers in HARP are always assigned a difficulty level;
these levels determine the negative modifier that is applied to

Seems like two spaces between "assigned a" and "difficulty"; also between "levels" and "determine".

Absurd–(-100) These maneuvers are a step above the
normal possibilities of most humans

Needs a final "." .

p. 38
Climbing
Many examples in the difficulty ratings are misaligned.

Combat Styles & Maneuvers

““You could take someone’s eye out with that,” I said, before smacking
him in the face and getting that bloody rapier out of his mitt.”

Begins with two ". Maybe remove one at the beginning and the one at the end.

Blindfighting
and
Disarm Foe
As someone mentioned earlier, they are followed by a minus sign instead of a hyphen.

Blindfighting

for being unable to see would be –60 (-100 + 40).)

Hyphen here instead of a minus sign.

p. 53
Extremely Nimble

special bonus of +10 to any Stalking and/or Acrobatic/Tumbling

Not sure what the "and/or" means here: we can choose not to take the bonuses to all those skills?

p. 75
Spell Casting (continued): Note

of “self” or “touch” or with a duration of “-” cannot have those

Is there a space between of and "-" ?

Casting Utility Spells
Just to make sure, utility spell rolls are not open-ended?

Results may range from Fumble to Failure,
or where some attributes of the spell

Change "or" for "to" ?

Casting Attack Spells: Example

Roll using the goblin’s Will stat bonus adding any other RR

Replace "stat" by "skill" ?

Fumbles

Spell: Use this column to resolve all fumbles made while casting
spells and “Counter-spelling.

Some punctuation to remove here.

p. 76

If the player rolls a 25 or below on the fumble: : The

One space too much at the beginning, and one ":" to remove.

If the player rolls a 26-50 on the fumble:

The rest of the example is on p. 77. Better to have the whole sentence in the same page.

Table 9.2 Fumbles
01-25: needs hyphen.
76-100: needs hyphen.

26 – 50 Combat You give yourself a minor wound. Take 1d10 hits.

Capital "H".

76 - 100 Mental You keep using that word….It doesn’t seem to mean what you think it means….

Too many points... three are enough!

[docem]

g'day all
not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere:
Athletic talent HARP SF = DP15
same talent in HARP Enhanced = DP20
[is this a correction made from HARP SF to re balance the cost? all other talents are consistent between the two systems].

also p5 HARP Enhanced
"Four new Influence skills have been added from HARP
SF"
i feel robbed - my HARP SF doesn't have the four new influence skills only one being Intimidate...

[Zut]

p. 59
The Jade Dragon TP is a little unclear for some skills:
Focus (maybe Mental Focus?)
Martial Arts (maybe MA Strikes?)

[docem]

p153-169. giant ant has a racial modifier for rr of s:30 w:0 m:0. its totals for rr are s:68 w:70 m:41. it is second level with ranks capped at 9. to achieve the rrw70 with no racial mod it requires 15 ranks. i believe the racials should be s:15 w:15 m:0. then allowing for 9 ranks capped in each the numbers calc out correctly.

[NicholasHMCaldwell]

g'day all
not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere:
Athletic talent HARP SF = DP15
same talent in HARP Enhanced = DP20
[is this a correction made from HARP SF to re balance the cost? all other talents are consistent between the two systems].

Congratulations you have caught a typo in HARP SF. All "+10 bonuses to all skills in a category" talents should cost 20 DP in both systems.

also p5 HARP Enhanced
"Four new Influence skills have been added from HARP
SF"
i feel robbed - my HARP SF doesn't have the four new influence skills only one being Intimidate...

Please redownload your HARP SF pdf. You probably have opted out of the OneBookShelf publisher email system, so did not catch my email to customers. We made a last minute retrofit to the HARP SF pdf prior to them going to print-on-demand in order to have consistency with the then-future HARP Fantasy.

Best wishes,
Nicholas

[docem]

thanks for the clarification Nicholas!

i think HARP Enhanced Giant Beetle Perception has had the Multiple or Peripheral Eyes, Lesser +10 bonus omitted from stats.
Perception (9) 44
ranks 9x5=45
IN-2
SD+1
+10 bonus
=54

also would i be correct in retro-engineering the follow modifiers:
Giantism Minor +30end, -5stalk
Giantism Major +60end, -10stalk
Shrink Minor -15end, +?(10?) stalk
Shrink Major -30end?, +?(20?) stalk
cheers
damian

[Thom @ ICE]

Thank you for catching that.... You are correct.
+10 Bonus for Lesser Multiple/Perihperal Eyes was left off.

Giantism impacts
Stalk -5/-10 (Min/Maj)
Qu Bonus  -1/-2
ST Bonus   +5/+10
Racial Endurance Base  150%/200%

Shrink is just the inverse.....   
Stalk +5/+10
QU Bonus  +5/+10
ST Bonus  -1/-2
Racial Endurance Base   75%/50%

[docem]

thanks for the info!
i think the camouflage skill probably needs to be defined within the HARP rules somewhere as a creature ability. its listed under the skills for a few creatures with no definition. for those without HARP SF that is!

Dive also probably should have a slightly different description rather than [from HARP]...

The character’s skill in Flying/Gliding is used for this attack.
to
The character’s ranks in Flying/Gliding is used for this attack modified by STR/AGI, (absent the Flight +50 bonus).

that seems the way the attack has been calculated anyway.
cheers
damian

ps per previous post i believe the giant ant racials for rrs rrw rrm should be 15.15.0 rather than 30.0.0.

[Thom @ ICE]

Again correct....
Giant Ant was done and redone about 20 times.  It was our first in the re-design of the creature creation system, and 30-0-0 was an early version, but 15-15-0 is the final.

One thing that we both missed, but based upon your previous Beetle catch, I thought I'd double check....

Giant Ant, Spiders (Lesser, Giant and Greater) and Giant Wasp should also have the bonus added....  Add +10 to Perception for all of them.  (We'll update the PDF!)

[Glenn_Gould]

There are some inconsistencies in statements about healing and severity of wounds:

Page 85-86 states: 

Light: [...] Bleeding Wounds totaling 5 Hits per round or less fall into the Light severity. [...]

Medium: [...] a bleeding wound between 6 and 10 points per round [...] constitute medium severity.

Severe: Any wounds [...] bleeding more than 10 Hits per round [...]make up severe damage.

(typographic note: "Light" is written with a capital "L" in the description text, while "medium" and "severe" are not. I'd suggest to replace the small starting letters in "medium" and "severe" with capital ones, as this is consistent with the description of bleeding page 100 or drop the capitalization for the words at all :-))

The given definition of bleeding wounds is consistent with the one given on page 100.

The Minor Healing Spell (page 119) however is capable of healing injuries that match the description of a minor wound (given on page 85/86) regarding concussion hits (up to one quarter of the targets hits) and bleeding (up to 5 Hits/round) but doesn't match the maneuver penalty for a light wound (because it can heal a maneuver penalty up to 20 points (page 119) while a wound is counted light causing a maneuver penalty up to 25. I'd suggest to allow minor healing to fix a penalty up to 25 as well - if it doesn't cause balancing issues.

The description of the healing skill on page 40/41 however doesn't match the severity categories for bleeding wounds used elsewhere:

Light (1-3 Hits )*
Moderate (4 - 6 Hits)
Severe (7 - 9 Hits)
Dire (10+ Hits)

*typo note: remove the space between "Hits" and the closing bracket!

I'd suggest to use the same severity-categories (light: 1-5, medium 6-10, severe 10+ - or if necessary: severe 11-15 and dire 16+) for the Healing skill than for the other skills and descriptions - but that may cause balancing issues of cause... If balancing prevents the skills abilities to be changed, my suggestion would be to name the categories for the physical Healing skill completely different, like it's already done for "moderate" which doesn't seem to occur anywhere else. The list could be (for example):
minor (1-3)
moderate (4-6)
heavy (7-10)
dire (10+)

[docem]

the giant ant hits seem a tad 'out'.
base end 60 [x.75 shrink minor] = 45 + co/sd 9 +toughness 10 = 64
listed hits 87.
4 ranks in end give 84, 5 ranks give 89.

in my defence i am putting them into a calculating spreadsheet, not being exceptionally pedantic!

[docem]

hobgoblin weapon ob seems high
1st level 6 ranks = 30 +st/ag 6 + dense musc +5 = 41 + fighter +10 =51
listed as 66ob

[docem]

hydras need their multiple attack skill defined.
description:
Each head that a Hydra has makes its own attack each round.
skill:
Multiple Attacks (20) 95
so do they attack with their 108OB or their 95 Multiple Attacks skill?
what does the multiple attacks skill represent in game terms?
cheers!

[docem]

kobold missing subtle +10 bonus from stalk/hide & ambush

[docem]

minotaur
init listed as 4 should be 5 [0stats + lightning reflexes +5]
db should be 75 [stats +0 dense musc 5 + tough hide mnr +20, instinct def +20 + rigid leather +30] not the listed 43
attacks ob should be 79 not 84 [stats +8str +0agi] +18 ranks =66 +dense musc +5 = 79
armor / climbing / jumping all showing +5 too much

perhaps the giantism minor stat modifiers have been left off the racial characteristics? the missing +5str & -1qu would explain the init, strength governed skills & ob error...?
if you modify the qu by -1 and remove the rigid leather you get the listed 43db

[Thom @ ICE]

Minotaur I can answer right away (others need files from another PC)...
* Init is correct because of the Giantism reducing Quickness Bonus to -1.  -1+5 = +4
* DB of 43 was due to lack of Leather and your stated Giantism stat modifiers.  They were in the table, but missed in the write-up section.
* Attacks OB is due to Giantism
* Armor, Climbing and Jumping have a +5 from ST due to Giantism

[docem]

giant scorpion attacks off slightly
lvl 4 max ranks 15 = +60
racials ST/AG +5
skill specialisation? +10
=75 not listed 73

[Thom @ ICE]

Giant Scorpion
Claw
14 ranks = +58
ST+AG = +5
Skill Specialization +10
+58+5+10 = +73

Tail
14 ranks = +58
ST+AG = +5
Skill Specialization +10
+58+5+10 = +73

Note that since these are separate attacks they were built up separately.

[docem]

lol!
can't believe i missed the extra rank - just maxed it out...sigh the numbers are blurring into each other!
it may be worth adding a descriptor for great arm [under ogre / trolls] for those without martial law using HARP Revised standalone.
thanks for the clarification

[Rochndil]

Good afternoon!

While I'm completely new to HARP, I'm quite familiar with Rolemaster and document creation (I do boring manuals for a living). I've got a few general comments to offer, some of which may be beyond the scope of what can (or should) be addressed at this late stage.

First, I think the font used throughout the book for Examples is, while very pretty, too light in stroke for good readability. It's not TOO bad on the screen, but definitely offers some legibility challenges when printed.

Second, I heartily concur with the previous poster who suggested including the chapter number in the page footer. Chapter number is extensively referenced in the text, but the only place that you can easily connect a chapter number with a page is in the TOC.

Third, there isn't always a completely clear hierarchy of headings in the main text. This can be confusing to the reader, and also makes organization more challenging for the creator.

For example: On Page 17, the L1 head "Generating Stats" is followed with "Option One," which should be a L2 head (and is followed with Options Two and Three). If you get your heads set up properly, generating a TOC and similar tables is MUCH easier, even in a craptastic program like MS Word.

Several of the glitches I've noticed have already been noted, and while I did read through this thread, I may be duplicating a faster reader/poster's report(s).

Page 50: The first paragraph under Rope Mastery should be italicized for consistency.

I'm only about that far reading, and I'm fairly sure everything else I noticed has already been mentioned. As I come across other errors, I'll double-check the thread before reporting.

Rochndil, who reads a few pages every night before bed...