Topic: Merp Spear

[Toramir]

How do people interpret the Merp Rules for Spear? 1handed -5ob 1handed attack table. 2handed +10 ob or +10 to original -5 ob. Do people use 2handed attack table when using 2 handed or what?

[markc]

 Are you asking a question about Rolemaster or Not RM? [The game you specified comes up as Not-RM do to a separation of ICE and Tolkien Enterprises] We also really need to know the rule set you are using RM2, RMC, RMSS, RMFRP, SM:P or SM2 as they might be different in every system. If you also can list the page # and a chart that would also help people answer your Q.

 In general for RMSS I have the spear be -10 1H and +5 2H but that is just me. If the mods in the book say 1h -5OB and the 2H +10 OB then the OB mod for 2H would be +10 and not -5+10=+5.

Does that help?
MDC 

[markc]

BTW Toramir,
 Welcome to the ICE forums.
MDC

[Rasyr-Mjolnir]

RMX says that a Spear may be used 1 handed, using the 1-Hand Edged attack table (with a -10 modifier), or 2 handed using the 2-Handed attack table.

[Toramir]

Right, i mean the Not-RM spear (blimey). Do you get a +10 bonus to ob AND use the 2handed attack table?  Seems to be yes for 2handed table and a +5 bonus (+10 from the original -5ob). I used to use the +5ob 1handed attack table when used 2 handed, but others disagree.

[markc]

Right, i mean the Not-RM spear (blimey). Do you get a +10 bonus to ob AND use the 2handed attack table?  Seems to be yes for 2handed table and a +5 bonus (+10 from the original -5ob). I used to use the +5ob 1handed attack table when used 2 handed, but others disagree.

 IIRR, 2H is +10 OB 2H attack table, 1H is -5OB on the 1H attack table.
MDC

[Toramir]

But that means a javelin used 2handed has a +10 ob on the 2 handed attack table. Really?. You must have to take in the special modifications before applying the +10 2h bonus, surely.

[markc]

But that means a javelin used 2handed has a +10 ob on the 2 handed attack table. Really?. You must have to take in the special modifications before applying the +10 2h bonus, surely.

Can you post more info or a book and page #? That way I can take a look at it and be sure were are talking about the same thing.
MDC

[Ecthelion]

IIRR, 2H is +10 OB 2H attack table, 1H is -5OB on the 1H attack table.

Not sure if that interpretation is correct. The 1st edition of the Middle Earth RPG states for spear and javelin "use 1-handed slashing attack table with a shield or 2-handed with +10 OB" (p. 71) while the second edition says "can be used with a shield or 2-handed with +10 OB" (p. 232). Additionally the Special Modifications column states that the weapon gets "-5 OB". So our interpretation IIRC was that the spear and javelin always use the 1-handed slashing attack table, whether used 1-handed or 2-handed, but the spear gets -5 when used one-handed and -5 + 10 = +5 when used 2-handed. Likewise the javelin got -10 to OB when used one-handed and -10 +10 = +0 when used 2-handed.

[markc]

 I found my MERP book and the chart and I would rule the same as Ecthelion after looking at the chart and the info in the separate locations.

MDC

[Toramir]

Yes that's what i've always gone by. Can you state where you got "info in the separare locations".

[markc]

Yes that's what i've always gone by. Can you state where you got "info in the separare locations".

By that I just mean that the information is spread out in a different place on the chart and that looking at the chart helped me come to the answer that I did.
 You might also try and do a search for MERP 1ed errata and see what you find out there.
MDC