Topic: Multiple Criticals vs Large Creature

[Samzagas]

Hello everybody,

As the name implies I had a situation regarding criticals. A character in my game uses a magical weapon that has a secondary elemental critical that follows the original hit at -1 severities. A.k.a if the hit deals a C crit, the secondary elemental hit deals a B crit.
However the party faced their first monster that uses the Large critical table and I was left wondering what the rules say about that. I could't find anything about it in the Character Law nor in the Creatures and Treasures and ruled that he'd roll twice in the Magic column of the critical table.
Therefore I ask:
Is there an official rule for this case?
What ruling have you tried and found useful for this case?

Thanks in advance for reading my post.
Samzagas

[Jengada]

Barring someone finding an answer in the books, I think you could go two ways.
1 - Roll one critical roll with the weapon. If it's above an A crit (necessary to access the Large crit table) then apply that Large crit from the weapon crit table. Then apply the 1-degree lower elemental critical from Spell Law (or other tables, if you're using something else for elemental crits.)
2 - Roll one critical roll with the weapon. If it's above an A crit (necessary to access the Large crit table) then apply that Large crit from the weapon crit table. Then, if the 1-degree lower crit is above an A crit, it qualifies to deliver a Large spell crit on the Spell Law tables (table 15.8.5).

I know there's something about dual crits using the same roll, but I don't have that handy so I'll leave that part to someone else.

[GrumpyOldFart]

2 - Roll one critical roll with the weapon. If it's above an A crit (necessary to access the Large crit table) then apply that Large crit from the weapon crit table. Then, if the 1-degree lower crit is above an A crit, it qualifies to deliver a Large spell crit on the Spell Law tables (table 15.8.5).

That's how I'd do it. If you gety a C plus a B elemental, then you get a Large Magic Weapon crit and a Large Spell crit.

[MisterK]

2 - Roll one critical roll with the weapon. If it's above an A crit (necessary to access the Large crit table) then apply that Large crit from the weapon crit table. Then, if the 1-degree lower crit is above an A crit, it qualifies to deliver a Large spell crit on the Spell Law tables (table 15.8.5).

That's how I'd do it. If you gety a C plus a B elemental, then you get a Large Magic Weapon crit and a Large Spell crit.

Same here. Any crit above 'A' is rolled on the relevant Large critical table (resp. weapon and spell). So if the attack gets a 'A' crit, you get nothing, if it gets a 'B' crit, you only get the weapon Large crit, and if it gets a 'C' crit or above, you get both the weapon large crit and the spell large crit (normal column unless the element is 'of slaying' to the target).

[rdanhenry]

Note that anything using the Large table negates criticals of 'A' severity, so that you would need a 'C' main crit before the secondary critical would actually do anything.

[Samzagas]

Thanks for the answers, I'll try the suggestions and see what works best for my party.

[Spectre771]

All of the above is accurate (Super Large ignores A and B crits, keep that in the back of your mind too) and the item description should also specify "...additional crit, same roll..."  or "...additional crit, separate roll..." 

[MisterK]

All of the above is accurate (Super Large ignores A and B crits, keep that in the back of your mind too) and the item description should also specify "...additional crit, same roll..."  or "...additional crit, separate roll..."

"is that a difference between RM2 and RMSS ? In RMSS, Super-large ignores A, B and C crits.

[Hurin]

In RM2, Super Large ignores A, B, and C.

[Elrich Maltah]

Arms Companion also had an optional resolution for large and super large criticals. You would still ignore the same critical levels ('A' for large and 'A'-'C' for super large), but the remaining levels could be given a +/- adjustment. This is because "an 'E' critical on a Troll should affect it more than a 'B'" (per section 4.1).