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Offline Cormac Doyle

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Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« on: November 01, 2007, 10:31:05 AM »
RM - Rolemaster
RM2 - Rolemaster 2nd Edition (Red Border / 1989 edition); Generic term for any version prior to RMSS
RMC - Rolemaster Classic (Revised/cleaned up presentation of the RM2 core, with new options and some minor changes)

RMX - Rolemaster eXpress
(RME - Rolemaster Express ... however, this usage is discouraged)

RMSS - Rolemaster Standard System
RMFRP - Rolemaster Fantasy Roleplaying

RoCo I/II/III/IV/V/VI/VII - Rolemaster Companion 1-7
(RMC I/II/III/IV/V/VI/VII - Alternate abbreviation for Rolemaster Companion 1-7 ... however, this usage is discouraged)

EA1/2/3/4 - Express Additions

More Abbreviations will be added :)
« Last Edit: November 02, 2007, 08:36:35 AM by Cormac Doyle »

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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2007, 10:44:06 AM »
A necessary thing to reduce confusion, but I'll be hard pressed to stop using RMC for the companions.

At the risk of throwing a wrench into the gears, why not RCl (or RMCl) for Rolemaster Classic?
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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2007, 10:52:55 AM »
At the risk of throwing a wrench into the gears, why not RCl (or RMCl) for Rolemaster Classic?

Mainly because of the potential for confusion overall RMCl looks very similar to RMCI and can easily be confused for it.

Thus, RoCo for Rolemaster Companion
and RMC for Rolemaster Classic (besides, THIS perpetuates the Rolemaster = RM abbreviation used in the other core versions of Rolemaster)


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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2007, 06:20:46 PM »
That makes sense.  Can't say I'll remember to use RoCo though.  Old dogs, etc. ;)
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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2007, 06:33:50 PM »
Can this be made a sticky for those who first join.  It took me awhile to get it.
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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2007, 06:41:00 PM »
One of the problems is that some of these changes are recent, so historically

RMC1, RMC2 etc etc where, and for some are RoleMasterCompanion1-8

RMX till last month (or the month before) was the abbreviation for the hoped for and much discussed new version of RoleMaster.

RME which is now discouraged was only recently changed to RMX.

As such there is a lot of confusion, not perhaps here so much but on other sites, and for some like myself RMC1 RMC2 etc may always mean the companions, as I'm to established in my ways to change my habits so easily (give me time).

In time if we use the new abbreviations (with notes perhaps) people other than those on this site may start using them, but if they don't we should live with it, after all they where right then, and it is only for convention that things have changed...



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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2007, 09:31:35 PM »
Pardon, which is the official abbreviation for the Express Additions ?
EA1, EA2,                          :hm:
XA1, XA2
RMXA1, RMXA2

RMC Companions = RMCCo ?     We will need this soon  ::)
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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2007, 10:34:56 PM »
Express Additions  == EA3

RMC products won't be getting named as "RMC Companion x", Each product should have a relatively unique name (that is the goal as least).

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RMX till last month (or the month before) was the abbreviation for the hoped for and much discussed new version of RoleMaster.

The use of RMX for the revision was never official. I know that I may have used it a few times but that would have been me talking not ICE in those revision discussions (I even argued against using RMX for RM Express, but we see how that turned out.....  ;D)

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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2007, 03:41:32 AM »
It's all about what is out there in the wild, and to change that will take time, so if someone abbreviates something and it isn't obvious what they are referring to, or even if it appears to be obvious check, as they may be using the non official but established abbreviation, after all it is very easy to misunderstand people if you aren't there in front of them.



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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2007, 03:56:46 AM »
Hmm
What about SUC (Spell Users Companion) and AC (Arms Companion)? :)
I'm new here, but have played RM2 on and off for 20 years. :)

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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2007, 05:23:09 AM »
SoHK --> School of Hard Knocks
MAC --> Martial Arts Companion
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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2007, 04:32:27 PM »
AC as arms companion probably wont work as it looks like armor class, perhaps ArCo ? which brings it into the RoCo1 style...



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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2007, 07:29:16 PM »
I don't like the way that RoCo looks. RMCI-VII for me.

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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2007, 04:46:31 AM »
I agree, but times are a changing.



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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2008, 11:30:18 AM »
Ok, I am baby newbie here, so please be kind  ;)

I played MERP and RM back in the early 80s briefly.  I stumbled onto HARP Lite recently, and now I am interested in RM again.  I have the three RM2 books and RMSS: The Basics.  I returned to the ICE website to find out that there have been several editions and incarnations.  I think that I have the chronological order down, but can I get a stamp of approval on this?  ;)

Let's see, this is how I see it:

RM
RM2
RMSS
RMSS: The Basics
RMFRP
RMC

Now some quick clarification questions:

What is the differences between RMFP and RMC?  More specifically, why go back to before RMSS and RMFRP?

Is RMX part of the RMC product line or separate?

Many thanks!

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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2008, 12:20:54 PM »
If you have RM2 and RM: The Basics then you can just compare the them to determine the differences.

RMC is basically a reworked version of the old RM2 books. Lots better organization and some minor fixes. The two largest changes are the tactical system and spell types. But, RMC is essentially the same as the RM2 you have.

RM: The Basics is a  cut-down boxed set version of RMSS, which was later repackaged into RMFRP. All three are basically the same thing.

RMX is part of the RMC product line. It is basically the core rules with a very few options put into place to  make things slightly smoother overall. There is a thread at the top of the RM2/RMC/RMX forum that gives you a teaser showing the condensed combat system and the page which tells what options where used. The whole idea of RMX was to show that RM was not as complicated as some folks thought.....

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More specifically, why go back to before RMSS and RMFRP?

Short version --- RMSS/FRP are, quite frankly, too complicated (in character creation) to be an initial buy-in product. it just cannot attract new players (or new gamers) as well as we need it to.

While there is some small growth with it, that growth is not enough to sustain ICE. Many old RM fans also refused to move to RMSS because they didn't like various aspects of it. (note: there is nothing wrong with RMSS/FRP as a system, it just doesn't enjoy the growth we need it to enjoy).

Whether RMC is working to reclaim that lost segment or not, I cannot actually say. However, sales of the RMC products have been phenomenal, with distributors wanting them like they were hotcakes.

RMX is meant to show that we can produce a FULL, playable game in a relatively few pages (88 pages, 10 of them being an adventure and other material, not rules). The print version sells for $10, what is essentially an impulse buy for many people.




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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2008, 12:39:55 PM »
Thanks Rasyr!   :)

Intuitively, I was on the same wavelength.  I just wanted to make sure.  RMC and RMX sound like exactly what ICE needs in today's gamer market.  I am going to have to pick up RMX now as well as the print version of HARP  8)

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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2008, 09:01:33 AM »
MenCo : Mentalism companion
EssCo : Essence Companion
ChanCo : Channeling companion
TreaCo : Treasure companion
ArCo : Arcane companion
MACo : Martial Arts companion
ComCo : combat companion

do i have it right (i am currentlu building a glossary for RMSS/FRP, so these are usefull for me)

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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2008, 09:47:37 AM »
TMWTD - Anybody want to guess?

AATFP or would it be AA10FP?  Another guess?
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Re: Common Abbreviations for Rolemaster Products
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