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Title: Citations/References for Rolemaster Wikipedia Entry
Post by: ob1knorrb on August 13, 2007, 05:51:34 PM
The entry for Rolemaster in Wikipedia has been tagged as not citing any references or sources.  Any Wikipedia experts in the crowd that would know what should be added to correct this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolemaster
Title: Re: Citations/References for Rolemaster Wikipedia Entry
Post by: Cormac Doyle on August 13, 2007, 07:21:53 PM
Not being a veteran Wikipedian, I'm not sure what additional references/citations they are looking for. You need to add in RMC; you omitted a date for the red-border RM2 (1989);

1. One area where you should cite something - Use a box out from Arms Law showing "22C krush" (cite page ref for latest edition) and compare this to D&D Citical Damage (again cite page ref) [if you summarize, I'd suggest using a screen grab of the page fragment and reference the image] ... the idea here is that ...

you never give personal opinion (or other people's opinion) - so show how damage is different; do not give the "accepted opinion"
you cite with page refs where you have taken this information

2. provide source information for specific statements
- Publication dates ... take the ISBN's and see if you can yank the info from the Library of Congress ... otherwise - make it clear what YOUR website is (e.g. - more than just a list of products, your website shows publication dates, ISBNs, etc. When you state a release date, reference the appropriate page on your site, even if this results in 20+ links to your website).

Title: Re: Citations/References for Rolemaster Wikipedia Entry
Post by: Cormac Doyle on August 13, 2007, 07:24:08 PM
things like ICE's bankrupcy; the new ICE, etc need to be mentioned and cited;
Title: Re: Citations/References for Rolemaster Wikipedia Entry
Post by: arakish on August 15, 2007, 02:17:43 AM
Unless others beat me...

I will investigate.

rmfr
Title: Re: Citations/References for Rolemaster Wikipedia Entry
Post by: arakish on August 15, 2007, 02:21:59 AM
Investigation finds that Wikipedia has some disputes and is currently protected...

rmfr

P.S. - Still investigating.
Title: Re: Citations/References for Rolemaster Wikipedia Entry
Post by: arakish on August 15, 2007, 02:23:33 AM
then gives a long reference....

makes me wonder why you use wikipedia when I don't...

rmfr
Title: Re: Citations/References for Rolemaster Wikipedia Entry
Post by: pastaav on August 15, 2007, 05:23:56 AM
I would guess that it is simply to add a reference section with links to the webring, ironcrown site, this forum and other articles about RM. Posts by ICE employee on the mailing list might be referenced if other sources are lacking. I think the lack of reference section is most likely what caused the article to marked as lacking references.

Title: Re: Citations/References for Rolemaster Wikipedia Entry
Post by: Kabis on August 20, 2007, 12:21:16 PM
Wikipedia is a farsical endevour. In the ideal, it's great - altruistic academia. In practice wikipedia is a battle ground for intellectual bullies and a site of arbitrary rule enforcement by members and staff. More and more institutions are banning the use of wikipedia due to it's ugly nature.

Good luck otherwise.
Title: Re: Citations/References for Rolemaster Wikipedia Entry
Post by: ob1knorrb on August 20, 2007, 04:00:50 PM
Ahh, but other than the ICE Forums, I get more hits on my ICEWebring site coming from the Wikipedia Rolemaster page than from anywhere else, so I've got a bit of interest in it.  Plus a good percentage of that page came from the History of Rolemaster article that I wrote.
Title: Re: Citations/References for Rolemaster Wikipedia Entry
Post by: smug on August 23, 2007, 08:25:11 AM
Wikipedia is a farsical endevour. In the ideal, it's great - altruistic academia. In practice wikipedia is a battle ground for intellectual bullies and a site of arbitrary rule enforcement by members and staff. More and more institutions are banning the use of wikipedia due to it's ugly nature.

Good luck otherwise.

It's great for some things, particularly technical stuff. For other areas, it's nonsense (particularly history, living figures, etc).