Just a bit more random old ICE founders trivia, the first game I played in was Pete's 'Crown Quest' which was to destroy the Iron Crown of Morgoth (hence the eventual name of the company). I joined one year into the quest, so my character Agonar was several levels lower than the older gamers; there were two tiers of players. We played in classrooms of the UVa Engineering school (lots of big rooms, machines and passages with iron-grate floors; could have made great movie-sets), sometimes all night on weekends, which lent a wonderful eerie quality to the games. I found out years later that Pete originally thought that I had lied about my last name, thinking that it was too ridiculous to be real (Amthor is very rare, and is, of course an anagram for Amroth, as in the Prince of Dol Amroth in Tolkien), but he came around. This was the 1976-77 academic year when the new Arms Law tables were firs being tested, this went on through my undergraduate years (and Pete moving on to law school), and then the founding of ICE in 1980. Questions?