Topic: Hiding Stat Bonuses

[markc]

 This is a branch of the thread in the General section on High/Low Mental or Social Stats.


 My question is; how would you hide your stat bonuses? Would you allow someone to switch their bonus with up to a negative of it? ie simply multiply it by -1, so a +10 becomes a -10 or anywhere in between.


 Or would you use a skill, such as acting to fool people?


 Also can you detect for people of a specific stat value? ie you have the stat bonus of a person but not have them mind stored or any other such thing. Can you simply detect for that persons stat bonus? Or can you detect for a series of stat bonuses as it is much more likely to be unique to them?


MDC

[yammahoper]

That is the strangest and most incomprehendable post you have ever made, imo.

It is also a meta gaming question.  You have no idea what someones "stat bonus" is cuz in the "real world" that our imaginary NPC's live in, there is no such thing.

Would a PC ever need to know a NPC's sta mod?  No.  The GM may influence an esttimate by the player according to the NPC's description, i.e. very muscular, bright and alert look, etc.

[Dreven1]

I agree with yammahoper.  I don't think a Character would know a stat bonus... a Player should, but not a Character. 

If you wanted someone to physically  appear weak instead of strong I would say that might be an illusion of some sort.
 
If you wanted someone to appear stupid instead of brilliant then” Acting”? maybe? 

If you wanted someone to appear as if they didn’t have any Self-discipline then Acting again?

If you wanted someone to appear slow physically...Acting?

If you wanted to hide someone’s magical prowess based on the 3 realm stats I would say some type of spell akin to "Un-presence" that would hide their "REAL" power??

There is a spell that makes someone appear more powerful than they really are.  I would say you could flip that same spell and make someone appear less powerful than they really are

Just my 2-cents, 
Drev

[providence13]

Perhaps a really good Awarenes-Senses or Observation could tell you that the person is just acting like they are limping but aren't really hurt.

This post makes me think of the new Sherlock Holmes movie. In a quick glance, he can tell almost anything about a person.
For someone like this, you might want to fake a "stat bonus". But someone like that could probably tell, anyway.

[markc]

  Sorry for the lat night or early morning crazy post.   


 What I was trying to say was the following:


 1) as was pointed out here,

Most people with a high Presence have the ability to turn the attention-getting aspect on or off at will. It isn't simply a matter of appearance, it is a matter of behavior and detecting high Presence when not in use is probably about as easy as detecting Usain Bolt's insane Quickness bonus if you just met him standing around at a party. Many such individuals turn it up just to enter a room, but professional performers may transform when they get on stage or a politician or preacher when he gets ready to address a crowd.

 Can you hide you high Pr bonus or turn it off?


2) Detecting Stats:
 While posting I was thinking above the Battle Tec "if you make your sensor roll hand you sheet to your opponent for X amount of time" or in RM something beyond the you get race, level, profession.
 But no problem I will make up a spell if this situation arises or allow a spell to be SM to allow it.


Thanks All
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[Marc R]

I think that if you met napoleon for 5 sec, sold him a loaf of bread, that you might not notice his high PR.

If he shows up to a 2 hour meeting with you, and discusses a wide range of topics, I think you would notice, unless he had the acting or duping skill to cover for it.

Much like it's easy to play dumb for a short time, but it's hard to hide the fact you're smarter and playing dumb from someone over an extended interview (assuming the other person isn't a non observant doof).

[RandalThor]

I personally don't think that a high presence is able to be turned off and on at will - without some acting skill or the like. There are numerous people that just draw others to them without being particularly good-looking (though, I don't think that has ever hurt), so that when they just walked into the room, you knew and when they talked to you, you found yourself nodding* - even if you don't agree with their point of view. It isn't a conscious act, just how they are.

So, unless the individual is actively trying to keep from being noticed / blend into the background socially, they are constantly projecting their high presence and everyone they meet is affected. (Whether good or bad.) How they hide it is up to the GM/system, but acting or even shadowing might be good ways to go.

As for how to detect another individuals "stat mods" I think the best you can get is sharply defined definitions like: very strong, extremely stupid, beautiful, slow as a slug in the winter, etc... That is the best way to go with that, I think.

*I am not saying that they change your mind completely, just an immediate affect of being in their presence. After the fact, unless they successfully got you to agree to their point of view, you are likely to go back to you own.

[markc]

RandalThor;
 Thanks that is what I was asking. I know from somewhere that it was said you could detect a Ninja as they could not control their reflexes and simply moved out of the way of "problems". So that Gardener who seemed to flow away from the roof as it crashed down and ended up 15' away. Is probably more than he seems.


Thanks again
MDC   

[providence13]

Yeah, a ninja who took the punch while undercover would be skilled, indeed.
GM: "Your Acting and Flim Flam Maneuver roll has to be over your Adrenal Defense. Otherwise, I rule that you dodge."

[Cory Magel]

Another problematical aspect of this is if you consider Presence to be appearance, personality, or both.  One of the reasons I like a physical and a 'personality' split in stats.  Appearance you really can't hide without some form of disguise efforts.  Personality you can with skills (such as duping).

[rdanhenry]

Are we trying to mimic reality or fictional reality? According to Hollywood, men will not notice that a woman is drop dead gorgeous if she wears glasses and a slightly unflattering hairstyle.

[markc]

Another problematical aspect of this is if you consider Presence to be appearance, personality, or both.  One of the reasons I like a physical and a 'personality' split in stats.  Appearance you really can't hide without some form of disguise efforts.  Personality you can with skills (such as duping).

 I agree 100%
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[thrud]

As long as you don't get drawn into any lengthy discussions, faking your mental stats are fairly easy imho.
Play it low and stay in the background.