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Offline mightypawn

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Strength of Magica Items Question
« on: August 19, 2011, 10:19:55 AM »
On Pg. 49 of the Treasure Companion there is a formula for generating the Strength of a Magical Item.

It says (without copying the whole text)

(80+15+20-10) x 1.5 = 88

This makes absolutely no sense... and the way I see the formula... it creates a strength of 162!

162 is absurd for  a weapon strength in my opinion.

on the other hand .... 8 point increase for a magical item is kinda pathetic...

What is the formula supposed to be?  Does anyone know?

Thx... Rich

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Re: Strength of Magica Items Question
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2011, 12:43:49 PM »
Ok... Several have looked at my post but no one knows what I'm talking about... so I'll post the text here....

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STRENGTH OF MAGICAL WEAPONS
The material strength of magical weapons is computed
by taking the average strength for the weapon, add in any
strength bonus for the material that the item was made
from, add (or subtract) the bonus for item weight (if
applicable), add the bonus for being of superior construction,
and multiply the result by 1.5.

Material Strength of Magical Weapons =
1.5 x [average strength for the weapon type
+ material strength bonus
+ weight modifier
+ superior construction modifier]

Note: Unless the item is fully enchanted, a weapon with
wooden haft is -45 to its strength against edged weapons.

Example: John the Alchemist has just created a +15
magical broadsword from white alloy stock that is 90%
weight.

The strength of the item would be:
80 [Average Strength for a Broadsword]
+ [15 Strength Bonus for a White Alloy item]
+ [20 Strength Bonus for being of Superior
Design]
- 10 for being 90% weight]
x 1.5 [for being magical]
= 88 Strength

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Re: Strength of Magica Items Question
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2011, 01:11:17 PM »
http://www.ironcrown.com/ICEforums/index.php?topic=10616.msg139367#msg139367


 The above post has the errata you are looking for as well as the correct value for the weapons ST.




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Re: Strength of Magica Items Question
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2011, 11:41:42 AM »
Just in case the link didn't answer your question..

I agree, that the number is exceptionally high. This item is unlikely to break under normal conditions. Attacking a stone or iron golem, for example, there are additional modifiers.

Slashing Weapons- Each and every breakage check (whenever you roll 'doubles' for breakage numbers, special crit/fumble, etc) is modified by -35 for attacking hard solid surfaces. Stone walls are listed in the text, so I put most hard golems, statues and such in the same category.

In addition, every strike (!) against really hard surfaces, generates a %chance that permanent damage has been done to the weapon, equal to the damage done  (hits delivered to opponent).
If permanent damage is done to the weapon, it's at -5 until it can be reworked in a smithy. In my game, magic swords might need a magic smithy, but that's up to you. If a weapon ever drops below -25, it's useless as a weapon. Though you could say it attacks on a less efficient/smaller weapon crit table. Again, that's up to you.

So yes, the number is high, for normal wear and tear. But if you go hacking away at really hard items, creatures or start quarrying stone with your blade, even a magic weapon won't last long.
I hope that helps a bit.
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Re: Strength of Magica Items Question
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2011, 11:47:42 AM »
Important Safety Tip:

Never use your magic sword as a crowbar. Especially if it has a personality.

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Re: Strength of Magica Items Question
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2011, 11:52:20 AM »
 As a House Rule I reduce the weapons ST by 10 for every breakage check but this damage is easily repaired at a smith. This way it is possible for the weapons ST to be reduced to the point where it will break after a long time of un-repair.
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