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Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« on: September 22, 2024, 03:44:08 PM »
Hey everyone! To support our newer gamemasters who might not be familiar with every module published by ICE over the years, I'm launching a short introduction podcast series for each module on the official ICE discord servers. This way, everyone can decide if a particular module suits their needs, starting from the earliest releases. Some of these modules are no longer available directly and can only be found second-hand on platforms like eBay. Please note that the links I provide are for cover images only—not for purchasing—since there might be cheaper options elsewhere. Here's a pilot episode introducing a module from Shadow World as a podcast. Let me know if there's anything specific you'd like an introduction for, otherwise, I'll continue posting them one by one over the coming months. Spoiler warning for players- please don´t hear these potcast´s, as secrets are lurking there..

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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2024, 04:02:00 PM »
Updated with The world of fog mur

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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2024, 10:43:35 AM »
Hey to all,
for those who are not active on the ICE discord server, I will post a complete list of all shadowworld potcasts available:
Only for DMs:
1. The orgillion horror⁠ https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pJJZtdHCBx9o68OeYWTq7FBks1YAUfpI/view?usp=drive_link

2. Norek https://www.ebay.at/itm/266179884543      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ycmozpklLHt8OeIUE7_RBYSf6bn30o_t/view?usp=drive_link
3. The Iron wind in progress
4. Fog Mur https://www.drivethrurpg.com/de/product/88211/the-world-of-vog-mur   https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ikf21B9VCpBbSiLyFf5HlDGr8qjoviuG/view?usp=drive_link
5. Cyclop Vale and other tales https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8602769-cyclops-vale-and-other-tales 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19HTIEtbQADoHyziI3fUuc3r0Qa7nRupC/view?usp=drive_link
6. Sky giants of the brass stair  https://www.ebay.com/itm/126348520499 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QSEV92HyCad84dnWrE7DR6R1yNkk8RsR/view?usp=drive_link
7. The Priest-King of Shade (module by Brian D. Hanson, proofread by Matt Hanson) : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cvhDli2VSMSkNyRGeB5d-_0Xx-fzTgGu/view?usp=drive_link
8. Emer atlas box + addendum: https://store.eplanetx.net/iceswemermasteratlasaddendum.html#:~:text=I.C.E.%20Shadow%20World%20Emer%20&%20Master    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pU9HFdjCxEO4gd1lO7WLT-0GvE-Hgfzx/view?usp=drive_link

For players & DMs:
1. Tales from the green gryphon inn https://www.drivethrurpg.com/de/product/146797/shadow-world-tales-from-the-green-gryphon-inn https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FGTStMZqPwjQ9iZY7dHPaBCftQhz6shg/view?usp=drive_link
2. Shadowworld Players Guide https://www.drivethrurpg.com/de/product/83779/shadow-world-player-guide-the-world
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sVC7AstYdXef6-V2WCvfC551umLID-uG/view?usp=drive_link
3. Loremasters Legacy https://www.drivethrufiction.com/product/117364/The-Loremaster-Legacy  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SrWVv8H3PdCww6iRRj4K6Ld4M_oWFFCY/view?usp=drive_link
4. Duranaki Chronicles https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XXQMrvsyXlshyOSAboGbMM8_UnljdLdC/view?usp=drive_link
5. Epic Tales of Gryphonburghhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/16Va8OMYIXh9soQ-h45CjDXtBuJrAQuJd/view?usp=drive_link
As many of you know, I recently shared a long, epic story from my home campaign under https://discord.com/channels/699316643716923483/705098090251550871/1270406869101314179. While some parts are hinted at in the module, much of it is new, particularly the stories that evolved from the players' backgrounds, which adds an epic dimension to the overall tale.

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Micael

 

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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2024, 11:47:37 AM »
I don't know if you talked about Terry's canon and non-canon opinion in your introduction, but I really think you should, if only because it provides an explanation for some glaring inconsistencies between Terry's "approved list" and those that were definitely written without his supervision (and vision for Shadow World) - The Shade of the Sinking Plain being a prime example if the latter, but Sky Giants, among others, can be included in that list. I mean, Sky Giants can be used as inspiration material, but it only pays lip service to the Shadow World canon, and Terry barely mentions its existence in his products (during the timeline, in the dates about the expansion of Rhakhaan into Wuliris).

I also think that you should refrain from including Duranaki Chronicles since, as far as I know, it was published without Terry's approval (and could be argued to constitute a copyright breach). Which is sad in a way, because the parts that take place on Kulthea are more or less faithful to canon [I would advise people who are interested in using it as inspiration to stick to the first volume and ignore the second - the author was obviously interested in Shadow World but not in Space Master's Imperium, and the second is more than half space opera :p]

I find it odd that you don't include a single book from Terry's fourth edition work - SWMA4, Powers of Light and Darkness, Emer1-3, Xa-ar, and the revised Haalkitaine, Eidolon and Jaiman books - except Tales of the Green Gryphon. I would have started with the books that provide the most context. I mean, Vog Mur is great (and certainly a fond memory), but it does not provide much of a framework for Shadow World, since it was written before the World of Loremasters became Shadow World (Tanara and Iron Wind were in the same situation - all three are among the best SW products in my opinion, but the adaptation work required is not insignificant if you want to use those setting in the 'current time' of the official timeline).

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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2024, 12:47:28 PM »
I don't know if you talked about Terry's canon and non-canon opinion in your introduction, but I really think you should, if only because it provides an explanation for some glaring inconsistencies between Terry's "approved list" and those that were definitely written without his supervision (and vision for Shadow World) - The Shade of the Sinking Plain being a prime example if the latter, but Sky Giants, among others, can be included in that list. I mean, Sky Giants can be used as inspiration material, but it only pays lip service to the Shadow World canon, and Terry barely mentions its existence in his products (during the timeline, in the dates about the expansion of Rhakhaan into Wuliris).

I also think that you should refrain from including Duranaki Chronicles since, as far as I know, it was published without Terry's approval (and could be argued to constitute a copyright breach). Which is sad in a way, because the parts that take place on Kulthea are more or less faithful to canon [I would advise people who are interested in using it as inspiration to stick to the first volume and ignore the second - the author was obviously interested in Shadow World but not in Space Master's Imperium, and the second is more than half space opera :p]

I find it odd that you don't include a single book from Terry's fourth edition work - SWMA4, Powers of Light and Darkness, Emer1-3, Xa-ar, and the revised Haalkitaine, Eidolon and Jaiman books - except Tales of the Green Gryphon. I would have started with the books that provide the most context. I mean, Vog Mur is great (and certainly a fond memory), but it does not provide much of a framework for Shadow World, since it was written before the World of Loremasters became Shadow World (Tanara and Iron Wind were in the same situation - all three are among the best SW products in my opinion, but the adaptation work required is not insignificant if you want to use those setting in the 'current time' of the official timeline).
Hi Mister K,

Thanks for your comments! At the moment, I’m not interested in engaging in canon discussions or removing anything from the Shadow World list because of it. I’m familiar with all of it (having read the entire Shadow World forum and owning all Shadow World products) and I have a deep appreciation for Terry’s work—much more than the products not created by him. I’ll be getting to the newer works in a few weeks, as I couldn’t produce all the modules/rulebooks as podcasts at once.

I started with the older material because most of the newer products are already widely known, and that’s why I focused on the past rather than the present. All of these podcasts are fan material (not official ICE content). In my opinion, the Duranaki Chronicles is also more of a fan project than anything else (costing about 1 Euro, which barely covers Amazon's fee), just like my Epic Tales of Gryphonburgh or The Priest-King of Shade. RMU, especially, isn’t considered Shadow World canon with all the new races.

Personally, I believe we’re entering a new era since Terry's passing, and it’s time to find someone who can consolidate and carry the canon forward. Right now, there’s no one in that role, which makes this a great time to reflect on the old days. Even though some products are no longer considered canon, most of the older Shadow World materials can still be used in your campaigns with some minor adjustments—like placing the Sky Giants in the past before the Rhakhaan invasion, or in a parallel world of Wuliris.

But don’t worry, the gems of Shadow World are still to come—the Player's Guide, for example, and the Emer atlas addendum are already canon. And remember, a 10-minute podcast can only cover so much from these larger works. I’m considering breaking down the books and using a “Part 1,2...” format for future episodes. I’ve already experimented with that for Tales from the Green Gryphon Inn.

Have fun!
Micael

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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2024, 01:18:24 PM »

I also think that you should refrain from including Duranaki Chronicles since, as far as I know, it was published without Terry's approval (and could be argued to constitute a copyright breach). Which is sad in a way, because the parts that take place on Kulthea are more or less faithful to canon [I would advise people who are interested in using it as inspiration to stick to the first volume and ignore the second - the author was obviously interested in Shadow World but not in Space Master's Imperium, and the second is more than half space opera :p]
One remark regarding Duranaki Chronicles I & II—I purposely didn’t link them, but if you change all the Imperium names to Terran Imperium (as I’ve done in my PDF), you won’t even notice for quite some time that the author is actually referencing a completely different universe. In fact, I find myself wondering if the name was only changed to avoid copyright issues. I enjoyed reading the chronicles very much...

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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2024, 04:27:22 PM »
I don't know if you talked about Terry's canon and non-canon opinion in your introduction, but I really think you should, if only because it provides an explanation for some glaring inconsistencies between Terry's "approved list" and those that were definitely written without his supervision (and vision for Shadow World) - The Shade of the Sinking Plain being a prime example if the latter, but Sky Giants, among others, can be included in that list. I mean, Sky Giants can be used as inspiration material, but it only pays lip service to the Shadow World canon, and Terry barely mentions its existence in his products (during the timeline, in the dates about the expansion of Rhakhaan into Wuliris).

For those wondering what we mean when we refer to "canon," here's a brief history of Shadow World's publications:

In the beginning, around 1980, only a few standalone modules like The Iron Wind and, later in 1984, The World of Fog Mur were released. These were not part of a larger campaign world but functioned as independent modules.

These early modules were set in different time periods, and even later works like The Cloudlords of Tanarra were revised by T.K. Amthor to align with a more consistent history much later on.

In 1989, the first Master Atlas (Shadow World boxed set) was released. At the same time, various authors (including T.K. Amthor) began publishing additional modules for the campaign. However, there wasn’t much attention to consistency, leading to discrepancies between the different publications.

After a period of rapid growth, financial struggles, and eventual consolidation, T.K. Amthor took the helm as the line editor or sole author of Shadow World. His goal was to create a more coherent and unified campaign world. As a result, many earlier products were revised in their 2nd editions to resolve past inconsistencies. This was well-received by much of the fanbase, and the overall quality of the material improved significantly.

During this time, a "canon" list was developed and published, identifying which products could be used in a Shadow World campaign with minimal discrepancies and ensuring they were set in the same time period.

If you'd like to see which products are officially part of a cohesive Shadow World campaign as authored by T.K. Amthor, you can check here:
 https://ironcrown.co.uk/ICEforums/index.php?topic=9612.msg123852;topicseen#msg123852
If you are interested in the whole history, look at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_World_(role-playing_game)#:~:text=As%20with%20Rolemaster%20and%20HARP,%20Shadow
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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2024, 11:15:46 AM »

I also think that you should refrain from including Duranaki Chronicles since, as far as I know, it was published without Terry's approval (and could be argued to constitute a copyright breach). Which is sad in a way, because the parts that take place on Kulthea are more or less faithful to canon [I would advise people who are interested in using it as inspiration to stick to the first volume and ignore the second - the author was obviously interested in Shadow World but not in Space Master's Imperium, and the second is more than half space opera :p]
One remark regarding Duranaki Chronicles I & II—I purposely didn’t link them, but if you change all the Imperium names to Terran Imperium (as I’ve done in my PDF), you won’t even notice for quite some time that the author is actually referencing a completely different universe. In fact, I find myself wondering if the name was only changed to avoid copyright issues. I enjoyed reading the chronicles very much...
Actually, it is very different, and it is apparent in the first book and glaringly obvious in the second. I read both books and found them interesting for some bits and pieces for inspiration purposes, but completely overblown and too radically different from my vision of Shadow World to be of much use and obviously suffering from the average fanfiction syndrome - namely, lack of beta reading and editorial work.
It's worth the cost, obviously - but it might not be worth the time spent reading it.

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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2024, 11:19:05 AM »
A side note about presenting the old products first (which I am OK with): I would have introduced Cloudlords of Tanara and Iron Wind along with The World of Vog Mur. In my opinion, they are of superior quality and quite interesting (TBH, those three books were what hooked me onto Shadow World before it was even called that).

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2024, 03:33:47 PM »
A side note about presenting the old products first (which I am OK with): I would have introduced Cloudlords of Tanara and Iron Wind along with The World of Vog Mur. In my opinion, they are of superior quality and quite interesting (TBH, those three books were what hooked me onto Shadow World before it was even called that).
Yor wish is my dedication ;) I posted "The iron wind" and tomorrow "Cloudlords of Tanara".
https://discord.com/channels/699316643716923483/705098090251550871/1287513464444817530
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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2024, 10:44:20 AM »
A side note about presenting the old products first (which I am OK with): I would have introduced Cloudlords of Tanara and Iron Wind along with The World of Vog Mur. In my opinion, they are of superior quality and quite interesting (TBH, those three books were what hooked me onto Shadow World before it was even called that).
Today the evening for Shadowworld fans is saved- why? Because 3 podcasts are launched at the same time- together around 30 minutes of pure Shadow world discussions- all canon and from T.K.Amthor: The shadowworld box set 1990 (for DMs+players), Cloudlords of Tanara 2ed and Master atlas 4ed: ⁠https://discord.com/channels/699316643716923483/705098090251550871/1287513464444817530
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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2024, 09:06:57 AM »
A side note about presenting the old products first (which I am OK with): I would have introduced Cloudlords of Tanara and Iron Wind along with The World of Vog Mur. In my opinion, they are of superior quality and quite interesting (TBH, those three books were what hooked me onto Shadow World before it was even called that).
Today, a lot more details about what I consider the best introductory adventure for Shadow World are revealed in a three-part podcast. It's designed to help DMs decide if it's the right fit for their campaigns.https://discord.com/channels/737958249936060416/750324220533145680/1292947628027281439

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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2024, 04:40:53 AM »
With so many podcasts and Shadow World products to choose from, where should a new DM begin? Don’t have time to listen to all the review podcasts? Here’s a breakdown of Shadow World products from the early phase (1980-1990) in three parts. Listen to these 10 minutes reviews to get a quick overview of each, then dive deeper into the product podcasts that catch your interest! https://discord.com/channels/699316643716923483/705098090251550871/1295317625252872222

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Hey everyone! To support our newer gamemasters who might not be familiar with every module published by ICE over the years, I'm launching a short introduction podcast series for each module on the official ICE discord servers. ...Here's a pilot episode introducing a module from Shadow World as a podcast. Let me know if there's anything specific you'd like an introduction for, otherwise, I'll continue posting them one by one over the coming months. Spoiler warning for players- please don´t hear these potcast´s, as secrets are lurking there..

Have fun
Micael
https://discord.com/channels/699316643716923483/705098090251550871/1287513464444817530

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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2024, 09:58:48 AM »
    Can you put this on a podcast aggregator?

Good idea, but its very time consuming to do- we are still pondering how and where to put this most effectively. But I try to upload a few to spotify & apple:
https://open.spotify.com/show/1LTTabe26CHls0vyDc5gyg
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shadow-world-podcasts/id1773762779
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2024, 03:58:22 AM »
New product reviews and Discussions about: Star Crown Empire, RFRP races & cultures - a crossover product that describes many shadowworld races for RFRP (and profession discussion on Rolemaster thread) are online: https://discord.com/channels/699316643716923483/705098090251550871/1293501975274586112

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Re: Introduction podcasts to shadow world modules are coming...
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2024, 05:12:31 AM »
By the way "The Shade of the sinking plain" review podcast is online- in addition I linked up the detailed reviews of B.Hanson for the Loremaster series of module, too
https://discord.com/channels/699316643716923483/705098090251550871/1293501975274586112
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2024, 01:17:49 PM »
Hiya to all Shdaow World fans,
I will be on holiday for a few weeks, so the following podcast  will be the last  (in fact I reached the end of the golden ERA of Shadow World were the most products were published between 1980 and 1990) and are now available as podcast and in discord as googledrive link:

Nomads of the nine nations
Quellbourne - Land of the silver mist
Jaiman -Land Of Twilight 2ed part 1  and part 2
Have fun!
Micael