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Gamer's Corner => Shopper's Guide => Topic started by: Old Man on October 06, 2013, 12:24:35 PM
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Saw this on Ebay - http://www.ebay.com/itm/I-C-E-rpg-book-spacemaster-ROLEMASTER-LIMITED-EDITION-oop-STASHED-SINCE-NEW-/321221620773?pt=Games_US&hash=item4aca4cf425 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/I-C-E-rpg-book-spacemaster-ROLEMASTER-LIMITED-EDITION-oop-STASHED-SINCE-NEW-/321221620773?pt=Games_US&hash=item4aca4cf425) - looks like 2nd Ed books glued together and in a paper wrapper?!
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Looks like that to me, too.
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The same seller has several others, mid-2000 editions, but they have gold lettering on the cover.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/I-C-E-rpg-book-NEARMINT-ROLEMASTER-LIMITED-EDITION-oop-CREATURES-TREASURES-/221293108042?pt=Games_US&hash=item338618db4a (http://www.ebay.com/itm/I-C-E-rpg-book-NEARMINT-ROLEMASTER-LIMITED-EDITION-oop-CREATURES-TREASURES-/221293108042?pt=Games_US&hash=item338618db4a) for example
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The same seller has several others, mid-2000 editions, but they have gold lettering on the cover.
Rolemaster [/b]-LIMITED-EDITION-oop-CREATURES-TREASURES-/221293108042?pt=Games_US&hash=item338618db4a]http://www.ebay.com/itm/I-C-E-rpg-book-NEARMINT-Rolemaster -LIMITED-EDITION-oop-CREATURES-TREASURES-/221293108042?pt=Games_US&hash=item338618db4a (http://www.ebay.com/itm/I-C-E-rpg-book-NEARMINT-[b) for example
Hmm, both have been removed; what's that all about? Did someone buy them?
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Terry,
I think it is the way the links are copying from my computer. If you search "Rolemaster Limited Edition" I see them again.
Ciao,
Old Man
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Yeah...seems legit... Is that "free candy" spraypainted on the back?
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If you are seriously considering buying it - please note that the description reads "Spacemaster Rolemaster" and the product inside is RM.
For that much money, I'd certainly want to be 100% sure I knew what I was getting. It looks to me like something that either Mjolnir or the earlier Iron Crown guys put together as an attempt to market a hardbound all-in-one book but never sold on the market.
Is it unique? Yes. It is worth that much money.... I'll leave that up to you to decide.
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A quick Google of "Limited Edition Rolemaster" brings up this info from RPGeek (which may be relevant but I can't see the content at work - pesky firewalls) -
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Frpggeek.com%2Frpgitem%2F59758%2Frolemaster-2-special-edition-hardbound&ei=MSJUUt-VGYj_qgHLuoGAAQ&usg=AFQjCNHr8JOVYVxCpzJpOFEd8-nvJ6qXig&sig2=AKkMxyUWPx9AsovxsA04BA&bvm=bv.53537100,d.aWM (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Frpggeek.com%2Frpgitem%2F59758%2Frolemaster-2-special-edition-hardbound&ei=MSJUUt-VGYj_qgHLuoGAAQ&usg=AFQjCNHr8JOVYVxCpzJpOFEd8-nvJ6qXig&sig2=AKkMxyUWPx9AsovxsA04BA&bvm=bv.53537100,d.aWM)
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Here's the text:
From the publishers website: Rolemaster 2 Special Edition is an impressive 504-page compendium of RM2 books that includes the 1989 versions of Arms Law, Spell Law and Character/Campaign Law as well as the 1985 version of Creatures & Treasures.
The cover is a beautiful padded, tan faux leather with "Rolemaster" in gold foil stamping in the lower right corner. The interior pages are a matte 60-pound acid-free bright white paper and the full-color covers for all 4 products are included and look amazing on this paper! The binding is not sewn, but is still extremely sturdy.
RM2SE is a limited edition book of 200 copies and each book will be numbered and signed by Heike Kubasch and Bruce Neidlinger.
The color in the e-bay version doesn't quite match what's shown on the RPGGeek site, and the lettering seems "off" as well. It could be legit, but it's very hard to say. The site claims this edition was released in 2006.
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The last pic on ebay is the same colour as the bgg entry, but the colour on the first photo is much too light... Weird.
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It could have been a sample copy that didn't come out as good as they wanted, so they put it aside and asked for it to be darker. I've got a couple of early printings for the HARP LE that didn't come out quite right, though I don't think I've ever used them. I only need a couple of copies and I prefer the current version over the older version.
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Saw this on Ebay - http://www.ebay.com/itm/I-C-E-rpg-book-spacemaster-ROLEMASTER-LIMITED-EDITION-oop-STASHED-SINCE-NEW-/321221620773?pt=Games_US&hash=item4aca4cf425 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/I-C-E-rpg-book-spacemaster-ROLEMASTER-LIMITED-EDITION-oop-STASHED-SINCE-NEW-/321221620773?pt=Games_US&hash=item4aca4cf425) - looks like 2nd Ed books glued together and in a paper wrapper?!
I do remember this product. yes it was the "lets glue all the books into one giant book and slap a massive cover on it". I think it sold ok, but I think it would have been a pain to use at the table :D
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I remember the product as well. It was, if I recall, one "strictly for the collectors...."
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I remember someone asking about this book a while back and was looking for a price to sell it at. I can see it for collectors but for me I like PDF's as well as custom printouts for my game.
MDC
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Dear All:
I have been investigating this product dump and have come to learn that this product was wrongfully taken from the warehouses of Mjolnir in Charlottesville in 2010 when they were required to destroy ALL copies of ICE inventory. While some of the product is fine, several items listed, including the HARP red hardbacks which were never released due to print issues, are bad copies never intended for sale. I will update more about this issue in short order, but I warn you - BUYER BEWARE.
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Thanks, John
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Dear All:
I have been investigating this product dump and have come to learn that this product was wrongfully taken from the warehouses of Mjolnir in Charlottesville in 2010 when they were required to destroy ALL copies of ICE inventory. While some of the product is fine, several items listed, including the HARP red hardbacks which were never released due to print issues, are bad copies never intended for sale. I will update more about this issue in short order, but I warn you - BUYER BEWARE.
I got one of those HARP red hardbacks. While I don't care for the method of how it got out to the public, I kind of like that I have something rare. :D
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Fair Point! I suppose that could be like the old D&D Mythos print with the...hmmm...was it the Cthulhu Gods? ;)
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The books was Deities & Demigods from TSR.
For the first printing it had pantheon sections for Cthulhu and Melnibonean. Second printing included credits to Chaosium allowing them to use those pantheons. After that they just cut those sections.
I've still got my 1st printing copy somewhere....
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Our Sayville gaming group had that very first edition. I wonder if Brain D still has it?!
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I have my copy as well, but I sold most of my other 1st edition and 2nd editon books.
MDC
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The books was Deities & Demigods from TSR.
For the first printing it had pantheon sections for Cthulhu and Melnibonean. Second printing included credits to Chaosium allowing them to use those pantheons. After that they just cut those sections.
I've still got my 1st printing copy somewhere....
Correct, and me too. ;D
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I can top you all - I have a D&D white box 1978! very Good though not mint condition. ;D
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Sorry John.... Blackmoor 1975
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Sorry John.... Blackmoor 1975
Am lucky enough to have a copy of Strategic Review #1 from the same year.
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You win....
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You win....
Nah, its a tie. I never had any of the small box rules except a later copy of Sword & Spells.
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Well this issue has been resolved from a legal/financial side, but my previous comments of buyer beware still stand. There is some bad product mixed in with perfectly good stuff. Ask lots of questions if you feel the need to buy.
On a personal opinion note, as well as a "what is good for ICE and the "company" of ICE", I would request that you not buy from this dealer. While I think its very possible they did not know the materials were fraudulently taken for resale and should have been destroyed in the handover from Mjolnir back in 2010, you would have assumed that such a large and well spread stash would have elicited some questions. I think, morally, its wrong for these to be sold and if you want these products, you should buy them from RPGNow (though not all may be available at RPGNow and there may be good reasons for that!).
You will NOT be sending cash into ICE that will be plowed back into developing more product, but helping the chain that supports illegitimate supply. Think about it before you buy.
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John is stating it too nicely. Let me fix that, please:
"fraudulently taken for resale" stolen
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Hi there,
I can't help but stumble over the destroyed stock. May I ask why this horrenduous deed was done? It seems like quite a blood-loss of original material. Destroying perfectly good books - aaagh, I wish I had started collecting Rolemaster books earlier!!
Is there any take on the scope of material lost? Was there a lot of old stuff destroyed in the process?
Thinking of how hard it is to come by good copies today, makes my head spin just thinking about it.
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There wer alot of strange things in those days. I have a copy of RMSS inside of a 2 ed cover signed by mr. dugger around here somewhere