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Offline arakish

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Stat Modification Spells
« on: September 22, 2011, 10:23:54 PM »
This was a nice topic to read.  In all my role playing, I have truly hated spells that actually increase a stat's score.  Instead, I have always altered the spell so that it gave a bonus to using the stat instead of actually increasing the stat.  I have always found that the stat bonus addition worked better than the stat increase.

Reasoning: Power-user says, "I can make your agility easier to use, but I cannot actually improve your agility without also performing a transmogrification to physically change your body."

And if you physically change a person to improve their agility (example), then you will also affect the other physical stats of quickness, strength, and constitution.  Thus, if you physically change a person to improve their agility, you might end up actually lowering their strength.

Make sense?

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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2011, 10:31:03 PM »
I agree in concept, especially since it rather sucked to raise a 45 to 65 and get. . .nothing.
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2011, 05:29:19 AM »
Quote from: Marc R on September 22, 2011, 10:31:03 PM
I agree in concept, especially since it rather sucked to raise a 45 to 65 and get. . .nothing.

It's even worse for the Strength spell: if your St bonus is -2, you could end up with a -8 after casting the spell.
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2011, 10:06:04 AM »
Yes, the x mods don't work so hot vs - numbers.
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2011, 09:03:24 PM »
Quote from: Peter Mork on September 23, 2011, 05:29:19 AM
It's even worse for the Strength spell: if your St bonus is -2, you could end up with a -8 after casting the spell.

In this case, I usually changed the -2 to a +2, applied the effect, then added that to the normal modifier (-2 + 8 = +6).  At least that is how I have always handled spells that technically should give positive results.  I know doing this is not RAW, but the way I did things.

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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 06:15:18 AM »
Quote from: arakish on September 23, 2011, 09:03:24 PM
Quote from: Peter Mork on September 23, 2011, 05:29:19 AM
It's even worse for the Strength spell: if your St bonus is -2, you could end up with a -8 after casting the spell.

In this case, I usually changed the -2 to a +2, applied the effect, then added that to the normal modifier (-2 + 8 = +6).  At least that is how I have always handled spells that technically should give positive results.  I know doing this is not RAW, but the way I did things.

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I like the idea, but I'm noticing that (|-4| x 4) - 4 = +12.  The worse your bonus going in, the bigger the final result will be.
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2011, 03:56:16 PM »
maybe you should move this to Rolemaster general or RMFRP.
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2011, 08:24:02 PM »
What spells modify stats?  I can't recall any from RMFRP or RMSS.
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2011, 09:09:53 PM »
Strength, as one for instance.
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 08:25:57 AM »
Quote from: arakish on September 22, 2011, 10:23:54 PM
This was a nice topic to read.  In all my role playing, I have truly hated spells that actually increase a stat's score.  Instead, I have always altered the spell so that it gave a bonus to using the stat instead of actually increasing the stat.  I have always found that the stat bonus addition worked better than the stat increase.
If you play with the RoCO III "Innate Stat abilities", it's better IMO to have a stat increase than a stat bonus increase when the increase goes beyond 101.
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 12:58:04 PM »
What we do is we look at the stat total and figure what stat would be closest to giving that bonus and grant statpicks from that. So to us it doesn't matter that much if the spell affects the stat or the bonus.
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2011, 06:47:53 AM »
Quote from: Ynglaur on September 24, 2011, 08:24:02 PM
What spells modify stats?  I can't recall any from RMFRP or RMSS.

Strength and Strength of the Bear multiply St bonus by some factor (x2 - x4).  Holy Strength provides a bonus to St (+5 - +15).  Correlation provides a bonus to Re (+25 - +50).  Recall Fact provides a bonus to Me (+25 - +50).  Resolve provides a bonus to SD (+25 - +50).

All of these are RMSS spells.
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2011, 06:48:44 AM »
Quote from: Nders on September 25, 2011, 12:58:04 PM
What we do is we look at the stat total and figure what stat would be closest to giving that bonus and grant statpicks from that. So to us it doesn't matter that much if the spell affects the stat or the bonus.

That's what we did in RM2 as well.  We tried to base as much as possible off of stat bonuses rather than raw stats.
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2011, 08:11:18 PM »
Quote from: OLF, i.e. Olf Le Fol on September 25, 2011, 08:25:57 AM
If you play with the RoCO III "Innate Stat abilities", it's better IMO to have a stat increase than a stat bonus increase when the increase goes beyond 101.

True.  Totally true.  However, we always ruled that the "Innate Stat Abilities" were due to natural stats or natural potential stat increases, not enchanted increases.  At every level, we had a chance to increase a potential stat by:
01-95 = no increase
96-99 = +1 potential increase
00 = +2 potential increase

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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2011, 01:37:14 AM »
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At every level, we had a chance to increase a potential stat by:
01-95 = no increase
96-99 = +1 potential increase
00 = +2 potential increase


This is what we have always done also
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Re: Stat Modification Spells
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2011, 06:25:54 PM »
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At every level, we had a chance to increase a potential stat by:
01-95 = no increase
96-99 = +1 potential increase
00 = +2 potential increase

Never used anything like that as potentials are explained as genetic maximums. what you start with is what you get to work with except for some herbs (Phaculus? from ToME) and another herb in the basic book.
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