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Offline Lorgalis

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dispelling magig
« on: March 15, 2018, 06:49:09 AM »
Hi

If a door has a permanent True Lock spell cast on it, is there any other ways to dispel it or open it other than casting the spell dispel essence?

Another thing: can you cast Dispel Essence on boots of leaping, and remove the leaping spell? 

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Re: dispelling magig
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2018, 09:23:49 AM »
For the door, I would say that a Dispell Essence spell would be the only way to open it.

As for the boots: I would rule that an Alchemical Ritual using the Dispell Essence Spell would be needed to remove the ability from the boots.

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Re: dispelling magig
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2018, 06:43:12 AM »
Kick the door in or make a portal on it! Then you can save your pick lock kit.
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Re: dispelling magig
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2018, 09:05:56 PM »
Kick the door in or make a portal on it! Then you can save your pick lock kit.

I like the portal idea.

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Re: dispelling magig
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2018, 03:59:12 PM »
I think you have to dispel True Lock before you can kick it in.

What kind of portal spell do you recommend? 6th lvl lofty bridge? What about the gate to Moria? Could Gandalf just cast a 6th lvl spell to get in? Are you sure that spell is enough to get through  the magic of True lock? You can portal through any solid material, but can you portal through let's say some kind of magic force field?

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Re: dispelling magig
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2018, 05:42:27 AM »
What about the gate to Moria? Could Gandalf just cast a 6th lvl spell to get in? Are you sure that spell is enough to get through  the magic of True lock? You can portal through any solid material, but can you portal through let's say some kind of magic force field?

For the Gandalf example I think it's a false problem because I'm quite sure nothing like a portal spell exists in that setting, so Gandalf couldn't use it to bypass Moria's gate. Besides that, there's no evidence that a True Lock spell was used to make that specific magic door.
But if it existed and was made with True Lock, there are other factors to consider:
1 - True lock says that the door is locked not thet the room is unacessible like it was sealed by a magical field. You can't open the door nor break it, but you can tunnel under it, break the wall next to it or enter by the back door if there's one, so you could gate into the room.
2 - There are many gate spells, so it could vairy depending on which one is used, but I don't know any GM who would let a PG gate into a room he doesn't know well without knowing how big it is or the thickness of the wall. Some, and me among them, would rule that if you do such a thing you have a good percentage to end up materializing into solid stone and die. Just my opinion, of course.

As for the boots question, it really depends on how magic works in your world. In my games true magic objects cannot be dispelled, only destroyed. But I would say that the gate is a normal object with a permanent enchantment, while the boots are a true magic object.

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Re: dispelling magig
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2018, 12:08:56 PM »
If a door has a permanent True Lock spell cast on it, is there any other ways to dispel it or open it other than casting the spell dispel essence?
Casting an Opening I or Opening II spell, as a True lock works "as Magic lock" and an Opening I (II) spell has 45 (90)% "that a Magic lock will open", meaning they are spells especially designed to counter Magic lock spells (and a True lock merely makes a door "unbreakable by NORMAL means").

Or use an Undoor spell.

Another thing: can you cast Dispel Essence on boots of leaping, and remove the leaping spell? 
I wouldn't allow it, as the magical effect is part of the item itself (it was embedded in the item, as part of the item creation itself). You need to either destroy the boots themselves, or use the specialised spells from the "Discharging Ways" spell list, that is designed for such a purpose.
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Re: dispelling magig
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2018, 01:24:37 PM »
I think you have to dispel True Lock before you can kick it in.

What kind of portal spell do you recommend? 6th lvl lofty bridge? What about the gate to Moria? Could Gandalf just cast a 6th lvl spell to get in? Are you sure that spell is enough to get through  the magic of True lock? You can portal through any solid material, but can you portal through let's say some kind of magic force field?

A magic door is another thing then a door with a lock that has been cast a spell on.
Moria`s doors were magical doors that had wards etc.
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