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Systems & Settings => Shadow World => Topic started by: Terry K. Amthor on October 25, 2013, 08:53:27 PM
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A new topic here, based on (as some of you may remember) a section of my old SW site. Feel free to ask anything you like about the Shadow World. You can either 'Ask Andraax' if you want it in the context of an insane K'ta'viir Loremaster, or 'Ask Terry' directly if it is more sweeping, (or you want an absolutely reliable answer). Or, you could even address your question to another SW character if you wish their perspective.
If you have questions about modules (e.g., "will Emer III have lots of adventures?") Please ask those in the 'Random updates' topic.
I only ask that you try to phrase your question so that it can be answered fairly briefly. Have fun!
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Do you feel there will be another K´ta´viri out there ? maybe a Duskwalker, that can help you? There seems to be a couple of Kadaena Followers in the other hemisphere , and Ondoval and Jenkyna in this one...but it seems this "Andraax side" has less forces and allies. In fact only Tethior seems a real ally to your cause.
I remember there was a V´glin from Folenn , but i haven't heard anything again about this.
It seems a lot of enemies for little opposition.
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Do you feel there will be another K´ta´viri out there ? maybe a Duskwalker, that can help you? There seems to be a couple of Kadaena Followers in the other hemisphere , and Ondoval and Jenkyna in this one...but it seems this "Andraax side" has less forces and allies. In fact only Tethior seems a real ally to your cause.
I remember there was a V´glin from Folenn , but i haven't heard anything again about this.
It seems a lot of enemies for little opposition.
Jenkyna might actually be helpful, since she doesn't want to see the Eyes fail any more than me. As for other K/ta'viir, I don't know. Won't count on it. --Andraax
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Dear Andraax,
how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck Edward Woodward?
:)
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Dear Andraax,
how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck Edward Woodward?
:)
Dear Phillip: Are you familiar with the spell Absolution Pure?
8) -- Andraax
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How can one actually benefit from the Unlife, in order to help it? I am trying to understand the motivation of several high level characters.
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How can one actually benefit from the Unlife, in order to help it? I am trying to understand the motivation of several high level characters.
The Unlife is a kind of anti-energy, gathering power from the world's natural energy. Followers of the Unlife gain power faster (access to spells more quickly, maybe even stat enhancements, and perhaps there is an addictive quality to casting certain 'Evil' Spell Law spells) but there would be a price of free will. And the Unlife needs energy (pain and suffering and death of living things) to fuel its anti-energy. The Unlife would ask for a small evil at first, then as the adherent grew more addicted to the power (there could include a visceral pleasure), the demand would be greater, up to draining life force.
--Aarein Kass, Loremaster (guest answerer; Andraax is indisposed)
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Dear Terry,
I've been wondering about the Xiosians since Atlas Addenum / Emer -book.
They were supposed to be source of Changramai techniques - however they wielded Dags and were warrior priests. Later on that approach has changed (Emer I and esp. Emer II)... They do preceed Changramai however.
I've always thought them above average master Changramai but below Herald of Night power level
According to Emer book they are still residing on the summit of Votania.
Give something - anything.
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Dear Terry,
I've been wondering about the Xiosians since Atlas Addenum / Emer -book.
They were supposed to be source of Changramai techniques - however they wielded Dags and were warrior priests. Later on that approach has changed (Emer I and esp. Emer II)... They do preceed Changramai however.
I've always thought them above average master Changramai but below Herald of Night power level
According to Emer book they are still residing on the summit of Votania.
Dear Tommi,
Most of what we know of the Xiosians remains apocryphal, although master Changramai have confirmed that their original martial arts teachings came from Xiosian warriors who defected from the guard of the Masters. They also maintain that the Masters survive to this day in a vast temple complex atop Votania, the entrances guarded by immortal Xiosian sentries, all in a sort of sleep-like trance. No one in this age has been able to reach the summit of Votania to verify any claims about this legendary acropolis.
While called 'warrior-mages' by some, most Xiosians were advanced martial artists (trained in unarmed as well as armed combat) with some spell abilities. Some were apparently more powerful than others; these were an elite personal guard for the Masters. As far as we know, all Xiosians were Elves, most likely Loari.
I hope this answers your reference request.
S'jemmis Thrawl, Scribe of Nomikos, 5th Order
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Hi Terry,
I know who the K'ta'Viri are, as well as the Sianetic Harbingers. But lately I've seen you make some comments about 'Taranians' (sp?). Where would I look for a brief description of them?
Thanks!
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Hi Terry,
I know who the K'ta'Viri are, as well as the Sianetic Harbingers. But lately I've seen you make some comments about 'Taranians' (sp?). Where would I look for a brief description of them?
Thanks!
Here are a bunch of places that mention them:
Tarania Emer Atlas II 30
Tarania Haalkitaine 27
Tarania SWMA3 33
Tarania SWMA3 168
Tarania SWMA3 184
Tarania SWMA4 14
Tarania SWMA4 39
Tarania SWMA4 87
Tarania Xa'ar 27
Taranians Emer Atlas II 15
Taranians Haalkitaine 11
Taranians Haalkitaine 17
Taranians SWMA3 120
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Thanks Terry,
But I'm creedy one... ;)
How about some adventure with some xiosian element - masters may have dispatched one or some to see what's going on in their continent...
Really thanks,
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Hi Terry,
I know who the K'ta'Viri are, as well as the Sianetic Harbingers. But lately I've seen you make some comments about 'Taranians' (sp?). Where would I look for a brief description of them?
Thanks!
Here are a bunch of places that mention them:
Tarania Emer Atlas II 30
Tarania Haalkitaine 27
Tarania SWMA3 33
Tarania SWMA3 168
Tarania SWMA3 184
Tarania SWMA4 14
Tarania SWMA4 39
Tarania SWMA4 87
Tarania Xa'ar 27
Taranians Emer Atlas II 15
Taranians Haalkitaine 11
Taranians Haalkitaine 17
Taranians SWMA3 120
Thanks, EG!
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Hi Terry,
I know who the K'ta'Viri are, as well as the Sianetic Harbingers. But lately I've seen you make some comments about 'Taranians' (sp?). Where would I look for a brief description of them?
Thanks!
Here are a bunch of places that mention them:
Tarania Emer Atlas II 30
Tarania Haalkitaine 27
Tarania SWMA3 33
Tarania SWMA3 168
Tarania SWMA3 184
Tarania SWMA4 14
Tarania SWMA4 39
Tarania SWMA4 87
Tarania Xa'ar 27
Taranians Emer Atlas II 15
Taranians Haalkitaine 11
Taranians Haalkitaine 17
Taranians SWMA3 120
Excellent work. Someone is bucking for Scribe of Nomikos status! ;)
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Mr. Andraax what is a Bakuul Portal?
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Mr. Andraax what is a Bakuul Portal?
Originally these were teleport networks built by the Althans, but some were adapted by the Jinteni.
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Dear Mr. Andraax,
All I want for........
Seriously, what edition(s) of the Shadow World Master Atlas had that beautiful (but frail) 3'x4' poster map?
Bruce
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Dear Mr. Andraax,
All I want for........
Seriously, what edition(s) of the Shadow World Master Atlas had that beautiful (but frail) 3'x4' poster map?
Bruce
Dear Bruce,
Hah hah, no I am not Santa (though readers of Loremaster Legacy last saw me at the South Pole, close? I suppose not). At any rate, if memory serves, the 3x4' map in one sheet was only released with the original 1st edition Atlas boxed set. And, it was pretty sturdy; heavy paper with a UV coating. I think that the map was also included in the second edition book, but printed in two halves. In the Third Edition, the map is in many parts, bound-in. The 4th Edition states that it includes a color map, but my comp copy did not have one, so I have no information on that.
--Andraax.
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Dear Andraax,
This is not a question. Is this a question?
Yours
Puzzled-with-bells-on :)
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Dear Andraax,
This is not a question. Is this a question?
Yours
Puzzled-with-bells-on :)
That depends on how one parses your note. And, yes. -- Andraax
You know, everything Andraax says is a lie. -- Randae Terisonen
He's a liar! Wait, maybe I am lying. -- Andraax
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-Dear Andraax: "A Portal opens on the plains of Miir in Haestra and
three beings from another time and place emerge. They
are the Dreamlords. They depart for the East"
-During your travels you have been able to know them?
-What are their motivations and plans for the present and future?
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-Dear Andraax: "A Portal opens on the plains of Miir in Haestra and
three beings from another time and place emerge. They
are the Dreamlords. They depart for the East"
-During your travels you have been able to know them?
-What are their motivations and plans for the present and future?
Indeed, seeker Espardenyer, I have met the dreamlords. They currently reside on a small island in the heart of Thuul, after some journeys through the world. I am not certain of their intentions, except that they are not hostile to Kulthea, and are refugees. As for their origins, they come from another world; a planet if you will. They are immortal, but not of the Elven-kind of this world. Beyond that, I cannot say.
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Dear Mr. Andraax,
All I want for........
Seriously, what edition(s) of the Shadow World Master Atlas had that beautiful (but frail) 3'x4' poster map?
Bruce
Dear Bruce,
Hah hah, no I am not Santa (though readers of Loremaster Legacy last saw me at the South Pole, close? I suppose not). At any rate, if memory serves, the 3x4' map in one sheet was only released with the original 1st edition Atlas boxed set. And, it was pretty sturdy; heavy paper with a UV coating. I think that the map was also included in the second edition book, but printed in two halves. In the Third Edition, the map is in many parts, bound-in. The 4th Edition states that it includes a color map, but my comp copy did not have one, so I have no information on that.
--Andraax.
As a proud owner of all of them I can confirm. Single Sturdy sheet for First Edition, Two sheets ( not sturdy ) for Second. Tiny Bits for Third and a Single much reduced ( between A3 and A2 sheet size, 4 pages in size more or less ) for Fourth Edition.
The First Edition poster Map while being on sturdy paper doesn't cope well with being unfolded and folded again, shears appears at the folds.
Dear Andraax, Are you V'Gliin that appears in the Adventure called the Heart of K'Ta'Viir ?
and while we are talking of the Heart, is it the Shadowstone ? and is the complex around the Heart the place where you hid it far away from Kulthea
( sorry, I had to ask it ::) ;) )
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Dear Mr. Andraax,
All I want for........
Seriously, what edition(s) of the Shadow World Master Atlas had that beautiful (but frail) 3'x4' poster map?
Bruce
Dear Bruce,
Hah hah, no I am not Santa (though readers of Loremaster Legacy last saw me at the South Pole, close? I suppose not). At any rate, if memory serves, the 3x4' map in one sheet was only released with the original 1st edition Atlas boxed set. And, it was pretty sturdy; heavy paper with a UV coating. I think that the map was also included in the second edition book, but printed in two halves. In the Third Edition, the map is in many parts, bound-in. The 4th Edition states that it includes a color map, but my comp copy did not have one, so I have no information on that.
--Andraax.
As a proud owner of all of them I can confirm. Single Sturdy sheet for First Edition, Two sheets ( not sturdy ) for Second. Tiny Bits for Third and a Single much reduced ( between A3 and A2 sheet size, 4 pages in size more or less ) for Fourth Edition.
The First Edition poster Map while being on sturdy paper doesn't cope well with being unfolded and folded again, shears appears at the folds.
Dear Andraax, Are you V'Gliin that appears in the Adventure called the Heart of K'Ta'Viir ?
and while we are talking of the Heart, is it the Shadowstone ? and is the complex around the Heart the place where you hid it far away from Kulthea
( sorry, I had to ask it ::) ;) )
Hmm, where is this Heart of K'ta'viir adventure published? My memory is not what it was.
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Dear Mr. Andraax,
All I want for........
Seriously, what edition(s) of the Shadow World Master Atlas had that beautiful (but frail) 3'x4' poster map?
Bruce
Dear Bruce,
Hah hah, no I am not Santa (though readers of Loremaster Legacy last saw me at the South Pole, close? I suppose not). At any rate, if memory serves, the 3x4' map in one sheet was only released with the original 1st edition Atlas boxed set. And, it was pretty sturdy; heavy paper with a UV coating. I think that the map was also included in the second edition book, but printed in two halves. In the Third Edition, the map is in many parts, bound-in. The 4th Edition states that it includes a color map, but my comp copy did not have one, so I have no information on that.
--Andraax.
As a proud owner of all of them I can confirm. Single Sturdy sheet for First Edition, Two sheets ( not sturdy ) for Second. Tiny Bits for Third and a Single much reduced ( between A3 and A2 sheet size, 4 pages in size more or less ) for Fourth Edition.
The First Edition poster Map while being on sturdy paper doesn't cope well with being unfolded and folded again, shears appears at the folds.
Dear Andraax, Are you V'Gliin that appears in the Adventure called the Heart of K'Ta'Viir ?
and while we are talking of the Heart, is it the Shadowstone ? and is the complex around the Heart the place where you hid it far away from Kulthea
( sorry, I had to ask it ::) ;) )
re the maps, yes I was lucky enough to have a few copies of the big map, and I had one dry-mounted on a thick black gatorboard with matte lamination back when I worked at a print place. The creases aren't too bad. :) It's hanging above my desk with maps of Jaiman and Emer, for reference.
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Hmm, where is this Heart of K'ta'viir adventure published? My memory is not what it was.
The Lost Telepaths, p35.
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As egdcltd wrote it's hiding in the Spacemaster campaign Lost Telepath.
It dates from long long ago. ( being a SM First Edition campaign )
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Dear Andraax, Are you V'Gliin that appears in the Adventure called the Heart of K'Ta'Viir ?
and while we are talking of the Heart, is it the Shadowstone ? and is the complex around the Heart the place where you hid it far away from Kulthea
( sorry, I had to ask it ::) ;) )
Ah, I know of this V'glin, he was a regional lord of our ancient empire, and for a time he considered challenging Kadaena. He had a powerful Psionic enhancer forged for himself, but it did not compare to the Heart in raw power. Plus, away from Kulthea, such items would only have psionic/telepathy powers.
You may also want to see League of Merchants, featuring two other K'ta'viiri, who were offworld when the Eyes were put in place, and escaped capture, placing themselves in chronagenic sleep.
--Andraax
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Terry, how did/do you imagine the Zor Wastes and Zor before it became the wastelands? Architectural like ancient Egypt or Sumeria or like south American cultures, Greek, Roman?
My campaign might soon be heading that direction and I was wondering what the ruins or non-ruined ancient empty town might look like.
Also, are the wastelands like the Sahara, i.e. lots of sand, or is it more rocks and dust?
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Also, are the wastelands like the Sahara, i.e. lots of sand, or is it more rocks and dust?
I think you have a sample of the Current Zor Wastes here : http://www.ironcrown.com/ICEforums/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item760 (http://www.ironcrown.com/ICEforums/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item760)
From it's location I'd say that it's more like a nearly desert steppe like some places in central Asia/China. Now Andraax probably knows more about it.
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Terry, how did/do you imagine the Zor Wastes and Zor before it became the wastelands? Architectural like ancient Egypt or Sumeria or like south American cultures, Greek, Roman?
My campaign might soon be heading that direction and I was wondering what the ruins or non-ruined ancient empty town might look like.
Also, are the wastelands like the Sahara, i.e. lots of sand, or is it more rocks and dust?
Actually, I am going to cover this in the upcoming Wuliris module (which I am actually working on today), which will include ruins of three cities on the eastern edge of Zor! As for the waste itself, it's still pretty much complete desolation in the area around Verzor (ground zero), but further out is is more like a desert plain environment with some hardy flora/fauna. And scary wild people...
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Terry, how did/do you imagine the Zor Wastes and Zor before it became the wastelands? Architectural like ancient Egypt or Sumeria or like south American cultures, Greek, Roman?
My campaign might soon be heading that direction and I was wondering what the ruins or non-ruined ancient empty town might look like.
Also, are the wastelands like the Sahara, i.e. lots of sand, or is it more rocks and dust?
As far as the architecture goes, I am hoping it is more high-fantasy than based off of some Earth-culture. Like the Dragon Lord's Citadel, exotic and unearthly are descriptive terms I would love to be able to use when describing them to players. Sort of like some of the city-states in Dark Sun; sure some of them were direct rip-offs of ancient Earth styles (Aztec, Babylonian, Greek, etc...), but others were not quite so much. Of course, there are going to be similarities, everyone involved in creating these things were human - I am assuming. ;) Just, lets try to not be so obvious and familiar, lets be a bit strange and "out-there."
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IMHO Nano Tec Architecture is a good use of the tiny machines and can really leave a big impression of those of lower TL then you.
MDC
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How many people, approximately, live in Sel-kai, Haalkitaine and, before the disaster, Kaitaine?
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How many people, approximately, live in Sel-kai, Haalkitaine and, before the disaster, Kaitaine?
The last number I mentioned for Sel-kai was around TEI 6000, and that was 150,000. I would guess Kaitaine to be about the same. Haalkitaine is less, maybe 50-60,000. Lethys probably has a larger population that Haalkitaine.
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Regarding the city maps in Emer I (and I suppose Emer II excluding Sel-kai) what sort of scale are they drawn at?
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Regarding the city maps in Emer I (and I suppose Emer II excluding Sel-kai) what sort of scale are they drawn at?
Your author was indeed extremely remiss about putting scales on things in the 1st editions; however I have been assured by Amthor that there will be maps on all the layouts and cities in the new editions.
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Haalkitaine is less, maybe 50-60,000. Lethys probably has a larger population that Haalkitaine.
:book2: Looking at the (very cool) full color map of that city gets me to thinking that it cannot hold quite so many people, perhaps only 15-20,000 tops. Unless there are lots of multi-level buildings that I don't know about... or that number includes the inhabitants of several levels of dungeons beneath the city.
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Dear Terry,
Where can I buy copies of Jaiman: land of Twilight? Former roommates have lifted my copies from me, and I dearly miss thumbing through them.
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Haalkitaine is less, maybe 50-60,000. Lethys probably has a larger population that Haalkitaine.
:book2: Looking at the (very cool) full color map of that city gets me to thinking that it cannot hold quite so many people, perhaps only 15-20,000 tops. Unless there are lots of multi-level buildings that I don't know about... or that number includes the inhabitants of several levels of dungeons beneath the city.
I have been pondering the populations as well, and thinking that the numbers might be high for all of those cities.
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I have been pondering the populations as well, and thinking that the numbers might be high for all of those cities.
Going by the population density figures in A Magical Medieval City Guide I get the rough population of Sel-kai at about 10,000 to 32,000 for an average city and up to 108,000 for one on a major trade route.
With the maps missing scales - in particular the Port of Izar - is there a rough idea as to what scale they are?
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Personally, I do not mind them having large populations, it is just that the corresponding maps and stuff should reflect that.
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I'd like to hear what people would guess the populations of Lethys, Haalkitaine and Sel-kai are, based only on the maps. Lethys and Sel-kai are mostly structures 2-3 stories tall, many just shops with a family living behind and above, though a lot of the teal buildings in Sel-kai are apartments with a higher density: dockworkers and other low wage earners packed into cramped quarters. Haalkitaine does have more stone architecture, many buildings 4-5+ stories tall with apartments, though a lot of the larger buildings are noble villas with relatively low occupation density.
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I actually came up with a figure of well over 200,000 for Sel-kai, when comparing it to Venice in terms of size and then multiplying that size difference by Venice's population. It's substantially bigger, probably well over double the area, and at the sort of time I was looking at Venice had an estimated population of over 100,000. Being bigger, Sel-kai's population density is probably lower though.
Something similar happened for Haalkitaine when comparing it to Paris. Again, the land area covered appeared substantially bigger, being about double, and the population of Paris was probably 50-80 thousand. Assuming 50 within the walls, that would put Haalkitaine at over 100,000.
I read that medieval cities tended to have really dense populations - no-one had cars to get around for one thing.
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I actually came up with a figure of well over 200,000 for Sel-kai, when comparing it to Venice in terms of size and then multiplying that size difference by Venice's population. It's substantially bigger, probably well over double the area, and at the sort of time I was looking at Venice had an estimated population of over 100,000. Being bigger, Sel-kai's population density is probably lower though.
Something similar happened for Haalkitaine when comparing it to Paris. Again, the land area covered appeared substantially bigger, being about double, and the population of Paris was probably 50-80 thousand. Assuming 50 within the walls, that would put Haalkitaine at over 100,000.
I read that medieval cities tended to have really dense populations - no-one had cars to get around for one thing.
That's fascinating. I honestly don't remember where I came up with the 150,000 for Sel-kai, but I think I based it one something related to Venice (It was almost 25 years ago, so my memory is fuzzy), but looking at my own map, where are all those people living? Based on the scale, maybe those apartments are broken up into hundreds/thousands
of tiny rooms
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I did come up with a similar problem - there don't appear to be the structures to house everyone, if they are individual dwellings. From the various city-building supplements I've been reading recently, I do get the impression that the map buildings are way too big to be one single dwelling, even though the individual plans in the sourcebooks suggest many are. It's probable residential properties are actually clusters of many different buildings either crammed close together or with tiny alleys running through them. Residents of older European cities (and newer ones in the UK too) had very little square footage per person.
Even then, neither Haalkitaine nor Sel-kai come close to approaching Rome or Byzantium at their peaks, which had 500,000 to 1,000,000. Conceivably, the capital of the Emerian Empire might have, but it really didn't last long enough to achieve that, only a few hundred years.
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There was a site with an app (web page) that let you estimate a country, city, towns max population by plugging in several factors. I have to run but you might do a search and I will try and find the old webpage when I have some time today. BTW, it was a great tool IMHO.
MDC
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There was a site with an app (web page) that let you estimate a country, city, towns max population by plugging in several factors. I have to run but you might do a search and I will try and find the old webpage when I have some time today. BTW, it was a great tool IMHO.
MDC
Might be this that I found earlier: http://www.lucidphoenix.com/dnd/demo/business0.asp (http://www.lucidphoenix.com/dnd/demo/business0.asp)
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It looks close but the one that I found had values for food availability (abundance) and such and no D&D stuff. I clicked the link at the bottom to goto the original article and it looks to be no longer there.
MDC
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Here is the link, http://www222.pair.com/sjohn/blueroom/demog.htm to the info that I was thinking about.
MDC
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Dear Andraax, what can be the main mission of Dytus in the Centre of power Ahrenryak in Ordia... wait? protect? It seems that they have not intervened much since its creation.
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Dear Andraax, what can be the main mission of Dytus in the Centre of power Ahrenryak in Ordia... wait? protect? It seems that they have not intervened much since its creation.
Someone's been smoking the old Atlas Addendum. Please, try to be more specific and include details. I am real busy here with Jenkyna and Ondoval and the big lizards all up in my plans. And kids not doing what I want, and the Empire all dropping their tech spies. Really? Who volunteered me for this? Where's Amroth? Oh, right, Amthor, sure, anagram, so cute. No wonder Fenlon thought he was making up his name at first.* What a nerd.
* True story.
-- Andraax
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How do the Loari "dock" their airbarges and Sel-kai their skyships outside of their home nations? Do they land on the ground, in the sea, tie to a normal dock or what?
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How do the Loari "dock" their airbarges and Sel-kai their skyships outside of their home nations? Do they land on the ground, in the sea, tie to a normal dock or what?
Actually, there are depictions of a Loari airbarge landing in the central circle of Sel-kai city, and a skyship landing and taking off from a dock at Haalkitaine, both in the Loremaster Legacy (shameless plug)
http://www.drivethrufiction.com/product/117364/The-Loremaster-Legacy?affiliate_id=181921 (http://www.drivethrufiction.com/product/117364/The-Loremaster-Legacy?affiliate_id=181921)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E6QAGXK (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E6QAGXK)
Airbarges can land on any solid ground, but they require tenders, just like any Terran dirigible or airship. They then need to be tied down.
Skyships can only land in water, and prefer to descend and ascend at a gentle angle as they ease through the water. However, when necessary, a skyship can lift or descend almost vertically. This places stress on the hull, however, and is not advisable.
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And I'd read that too. I should start treating it more as a resource. p229 in the PDF for an airbarge and p306 for a skyship.
Reading it, I think in most cities it would seem likely that airbarges would therefore actually land outside the city on cleared space, as inside them there would probably be a combination of insufficient room and paranoia about having them overhead.
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And I'd read that too. I should start treating it more as a resource. p229 in the PDF for an airbarge and p306 for a skyship.
Reading it, I think in most cities it would seem likely that airbarges would therefore actually land outside the city on cleared space, as inside them there would probably be a combination of insufficient room and paranoia about having them overhead.
Larger cities (e.g., Kaitaine, Lethys, Artha, Ardan City) that deal with regular airbarge traffic would have some kind of landing area for them, where they could be easily unloaded (airbarges often carry cargo). The airbarge landing in the Sel-kai Great Circle was kind of showy move by the Loari arriving for New Years.
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I was thinking some sort of field outside town for airbarges, perhaps with some type of semi-permanent facilities - it could be dual use.
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I'd like to hear what people would guess the populations of ... mostly structures 2-3 stories tall, many just shops with a family living behind and above, ... are apartments with a higher density: dockworkers and other low wage earners packed into cramped quarters.
have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insula_(building)
if you consider cramped living from the industrial revolution you could possible fit one bunk into 1-2 square meter (so a 10 m2 room would let 5-10 people sleep). double that with time-sharing bunks!
c
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Speaking of populations - I ran across this study years ago (and had to Google myself to find a post linking it) -->
"A study of population density of ancient, medieval and modern cities in relation to transportation"
http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/11311 (http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/11311)