Topic: Armors

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Hi to All Folks here
What if a Troll (AT 11) wears a hauberk?
What if a man wears a AT 5 under a AT 20? I know that in the old RM2 there was a rule about it but I don't recall it!
Tanx for the answers!

[craggles]

It's funny you should ask that - I asked the same thing a month ago (as I had just purchased an armoured troll from the LOTR warhammer range to use in encounters) and the answer was that the higher AT number is used each time and the natural (or secondary) armour is ignored.

...that is unless you're using the combat companion which takes natural armour into account.

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I thought that the formula was:
high AT- low AT-2 X 10 bonus to DB...
If a Troll (AT 11) wears a hauberk (AT 16):
16-11=5-2= 3X10 bonus to DB.
Am I wrong?

for the man who wears a AT 5 under a AT 20 I think it isn't a good idea cos' in the reality a man who wears a full plate armor, already wears a  quilted coat/jacket and mail under...not bare skin under plate!...OOOUUUCCCHHH

[Winterknight]

Wouldn't then the padding already be factored into the higher armor type?

I know when I layer clothes in winter, the biggest effect is the hindered movement.  I'd say that if you were to stack two armor types, at least ones that are definitely distinct sets of clothing, that you should probably double or triple the additional movement/maneuver penalty for the second (underlying) armor.

For natural armor, though, I like the idea of adding an additional layer of defense.  Natural armor should be unencumbering to the creature, but they may find that normal armor is even more so.  Again, I'd consider some kind of maneuver penalty to the outer armor, when layered over a troll's hide, for example.  They get the increased DB, sure, but it's just not a "natural" movement effect for them.

[Rasyr-Mjolnir]

officially, in RMC, if you wear multiple armors, you use the highest AT, and the maneuver and other mods from both armors are combined.

blag flag -- I am not sure where you got that formula. Perhaps it was from one of the old Rolemaster Companions. If that is so, then it can, at best, be considered a possible option, not an official rule or official option (this being partially due to the current status of those products).


Also, there is a problem with that formula, in that if gives huges DB bonuses with combinations that are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. For example wearing robes (AT2) under Plate (AT 20), would, by that formula, give a much higher bonus to DB than wearing Chain (AT 16) under plate.

AT 20 - AT 2 = 18 - 2 = 16 x 10 = +160 to DB ?!?!?!?!?
vs
AT 20 - AT 16 = 4 - 2 = 2 x 10 = +20 to DB

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officially, in RMC, if you wear multiple armors, you use the highest AT, and the maneuver and other mods from both armors are combined.

blag flag -- I am not sure where you got that formula. Perhaps it was from one of the old Rolemaster Companions. If that is so, then it can, at best, be considered a possible option, not an official rule or official option (this being partially due to the current status of those products).


Also, there is a problem with that formula, in that if gives huges DB bonuses with combinations that are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. For example wearing robes (AT2) under Plate (AT 20), would, by that formula, give a much higher bonus to DB than wearing Chain (AT 16) under plate.

AT 20 - AT 2 = 18 - 2 = 16 x 10 = +160 to DB ?!?!?!?!?
vs
AT 20 - AT 16 = 4 - 2 = 2 x 10 = +20 to DB

I'm agree with you there's a problem...but to me, this rule must be applied to creatures with natural armour who wear armours, not a robe (AT2) under a plate!
Don't forget that in this case this rule isn't realistic because no one is nude under a plate...what is a plate armour? It's quilted jacket+ mail+ plates.
 

[PiXeL01]

Companion VI had a formular used for this situation. It stated that you would used the AT of the Bigger and then add additional DB equal to twice the lesser AT minus 2.

So to completely quote the article, if a mountain troll with natural AT11 would wear a AT16 in combat the result would be AT16 +20DB.

If this is used for natural armor layering then penalties for the armor is combined and half the weight of the armor is counted towards encumberance.