Topic: Revising Warlock and Summoner

[Elton Robb]

I'm thinking about revising the Warlock by combining it with the summoner (both are found in the Channeling Companion).  While the Warlock is based on the Classic Witch idea as it stands, I think I'll combine both of them.

[Temujin]

Imho, they're valuable as independent classes, however one major flaw of the Warlock that I found odd was the Transformations list which gives you natural weapon, you need to develop independent OBs for each of the type of attacks, at an insane cost in DP (Special Attacks iirc, whereas the Warlock has semi-decent costs for Martial arts), so everyone in my group who looked at the list agreed it was stupid for a Warlock to raise that particular base list.

[Rasyr-Mjolnir]

Imho, they're valuable as independent classes, however one major flaw of the Warlock that I found odd was the Transformations list which gives you natural weapon, you need to develop independent OBs for each of the type of attacks, at an insane cost in DP (Special Attacks iirc, whereas the Warlock has semi-decent costs for Martial arts), so everyone in my group who looked at the list agreed it was stupid for a Warlock to raise that particular base list.

Note: In RM2/RMC, the skill "Spell Mastery" would be the skill used to determine the OB for those other attacks. At least that was the original intent of that skill....

[Temujin]

Spell Mastery   Mind you, a much better idea than Special Attacks in the situation, a power manipulation would be more viable cost wise, but it also doesn't seem in line with what Spell mastery is supposed to do.  Is this consistent with the other pure and semi with natural attack spells needing to develop their OBs?  I know in RMFRP, most of these are developped with Martial arts as they are unarmed attacks, but a few exceptions like the Warlock use Special Attacks for some reason.

[Rasyr-Mjolnir]

In RMFRP, Spell Mastery is much much different than it was originally intended. That one skill is a perfect and concrete example of power creep that hit RM over the course of the years...   

[Joshua24601]

Would directed spells be more appropriate for controlling those warlock spell weapons?
Also, if you use the "special attacks" skill, I'd rule that you could generalize it to make it apply for all the weapons on the list...

I've actually looked at the list a number of times because I think it's rather neat, although I don't really think it fits with the Warlock... "I'm gonna hex people, manipulate your fate, magically attack your soul.... and then turn my arm into a snake and use it to bite you?!?!"...

I didn't even get the "Channeling" feel from the list.. it seems more like it should be an essence list to me...

[markc]

 A thought I had about shape changing is that if it is a complete shape change then the PC's cost for abilities might change also in that form. And as everyone knows that you only have a limited amout of DP so it can be hard to have a bunch of different shapes to learn skills in.

MDC

[Joshua24601]

A thought I had about shape changing is that if it is a complete shape change then the PC's cost for abilities might change also in that form. And as everyone knows that you only have a limited amout of DP so it can be hard to have a bunch of different shapes to learn skills in.
MDC

There's a 'multiple personalities' flaw... it calls for separate character sheets for each 'personality' and tracking XP separately... though most changes on this list are fairly superficial, and not till high level can they be permanent.

[Sho]

I don't think Spell Mastery is the right skill here at all. The Warlock transforms himself & make physical attacks, nothing related to SM skill. I like the way it is; hard? of course, the Warlock is a spell-caster.

[yammahoper]

Actually the Warlock is most effective when he transformed someone else and then his enhanced minion/altered animal defends him.

I have not bothered to read the RMSS version of the Warlock, but it sounds like his changeing spells only effect him now?

Too lazy to dig out the book...

lynn

[Arioch]

I have not bothered to read the RMSS version of the Warlock, but it sounds like his changeing spells only effect him now?

Yes, which is strange IMHO for a Essence/Channeling user...

[yammahoper]

I have not bothered to read the RMSS version of the Warlock, but it sounds like his changeing spells only effect him now?

Yes, which is strange IMHO for a Essence/Channeling user...

Then a Warlock should take "self to touch" talent.  I had a couple of Warlocks in my old RM2 games (and the second one was destroyed by having his reputation utterly detroyed by my cuning NPC's, making him powerless!  Very good memories there).  The cumlative effects of there transforms was formidable indeed.  Lots of AT 4 and AT 12 with everyone getting stat mods to St, Qu, Co and Ag.  That was a freaky party, but plane hopping adventures/adventurers tend to be freaky.

lynn