Topic: RR modifiers for creatures

[Urbannen]

My GM couldn't find any RR modifiers for the creatures in the monster book.

We just played it that the creatures didn't get a stat modifier to resist my character's spell. 

Is that correct?  Or are there stat modifiers for creatures hiding someplace?

[Rasyr-Mjolnir]

That was a good way to handle it.

[yammahoper]

All creatures in the book are considered average specimens of the species, so most stats would be 45-65, thus no bonus.

A GM can always make exceptions.  I use to use the table that showed hits and ext pts gained per level over average level as a guideline for the creatures other stats too, but now I just fudge it as I deem necessary, say roll d100 for present creature, 1-25 below average (minus a few points), 26-75 average (as is) and 75+ exceptional (add to hits, OB, etc).  I use less and less tables in play to keep the flow.

I consider most animals susceptable to magic and assign a -15 mod to all RR's, as in the flaw.  BUT I AM VERY PLAYER BIASED.

lynn

[Grinnen Baeritt]

For calculated stat bonuses from stats alone that is fine... but what about racial stat bonuses?

Surely this should have been included as an extention of the standard stat block?

 

[yammahoper]

Creatures do not need racial stat mods...unless the GM thinks so.  Then the GM should just assign them to fit his perception of the creature in his world.

lynn

[Urbannen]

Believe me, the armor-covered worg did not need any bonuses to help it resist my 2nd-level animist's Animal Sleep I spell! 

[yammahoper]

Wait till you meet a warg with a bite of sharpeness...level 8 rr or any limb indicated in crit is severed!

FYI...severed limbs bleed at 10hits a round and result in death in 12 rounds.

lynn

[jeff]

Is that a house rule Yammer? (Severed limbs)

[Fornitus]

 The death in 12 rnds from severed limb is from the crit charts. I think I saw the 10/rnd thing in a comp or something.

[yammahoper]

The rule is deduced from the crit tables and used for weapons of sharpness in my game.

lynn

[mocking bird]

We see it as the RR bonuses are actually represented in the level of the monster which might be higher than their stats or abilities might represent.

When a stat is requied for a con or strength check we make something up depending on the creature.  In that case we have been known to pull out the stat mods for 'creatures as PC's' and use those if it is handy.

[Sho]

I think there should be Racial RR Mods for C&M. For example, the typical "Dragons are almost never affected by Magic" means... +100 to their RR against every Realm? (maybe a little less for Arcane : D Arcane rules). More? Less?

So this issue is completely up to the GM. This seems to be D&D or something worse. x'''D A pity in RM. IMO, some guidelines would be great.

[RandalThor]

Remember that level plays a big part in what the creature needs to resist - if it is a creature that is much higher level than the average individual of the world (PCs are aberrations in this regard) than it will not need a huge bonus to be "nearly impossible to affect." A +30 to +50 would do it just fine. I would put most people in the 10th - 15th level range (though the majority of the population is Laymen so it isn't as nasty as it sounds) so creatures that are 20th+ are pretty-hard to affect through RRs (needing anywhere from a 15 to a 30 to resist respectively, so a bonus of even +15 would make it "just don't roll a critically low" in one case).

[mocking bird]

I would count being 60th level as pretty resistant to magic - although some pretty lucky BAR's can equal that score pretty quickly.  For example a +10 RR is essentially +2 levels but a BAR result of -45 is a 9 level jump.

Rather than a straight RR stat bonus - a BAR penalty?  While I can see it a little more complicated than an RR bonus conceptually it does follow along the lines of a 'realm DB' vs. 'realm OB' of the spell caster.

[RandalThor]

Yeah, 60th level is definately "resistant" to magic (or poison or fear or whatever). The negative modifier to the BAR usually means that the spellcaster has rolled really well so it is OK. They should be rewarded for doing well (i.e. by making it harder for their target to resist).