Topic: HARP: too few spells?

[Spellsinger]

Does HARP has to few spells? There are only a couple of spells in
the core book and not much more in college of magics - I do not
own The Codex.

Are there any resources for additional spells? I also think that there are too few high level spells which you can take at higher levels (exept for scaling options).

[Mando]

At the moment, we've got 401 different spells for HARP.

Sources are:

• HARP - High Adventure Role Playing
• College of Magics
• Loot, A Field Guide
• HARP Codex
• Hack & Slash
• HARPer's Bazaar 2, 5 & 6
• HARPer's Grimoire

[janpmueller]

Also, scaling options are something that enhances the magic system a lot for me. In rolemaster, one scalable spell could have been realized as a whole list. Major Healing is a good example.

I've never played really high level characters, but as "mundane" skills max out after 20 ranks or so, I find it only fair that spells do too. High level spells might possibly affect game balance. I read somewhere on the forum that after level 30 characters aren't going to evolve, but tend to get broader, less specialized. A new profession, maybe, but not that many additional ranks in any one skill/ spell.

You can only get that cool 

Jan

[munchy]

I've got a player complaining about that on a regular basis but that is just because we have played Rolemaster for about 15 years before and the most remembered campaign group consisted of two Archmages, a Tarot Mage, a Lay Healer and a couple of Semis. So, loads of magic there. And now in HARP he is playing a rogue and the other three are a Cleric, a Healer (own profession), and a ranger. So, this time a lot of magic but not that different magic.

To be honest I don't take those complaints seriously because the spells in HARP are basically the same you've got in Rolemaster with the difference that you don't learn a list but instead scale you spell. Rolemaster has the slight advantage that you can learn more spell more quickly ... that's at least what I think at the moment, haven't got proof for that.

As for ressources you only need CoM: Create you own spells! WAY better than RM where there weren't really working rules how to create a new spell. (Yes, yes, in RMCV there was spell research but come on that was NOTHING compared to the rules in CoM!)

[Dr_Sage]

HARP has enough Spells.

Every HARP Spell works in a very different way a DnD Spell works. From the example above, Major Healing is a great example:

* It starts like a Heal Moderate Wounds;
* Can be used from range like the DnD Prestige Alility;
* Progress to Heal Critical Wounds;
* Become HEAL Spell;
* Then become Heal with a lot of Feat effects;
* Can be used to effectvely prevent death with has no dirrect comparison to DnD.

So basicaly a good spell caster usually knows a handfull of spells, with somethimes can be boring indeed, BUT he is the only one with that particular knowloge. It gives a sense of uniquiness to our spellcasters in the party.

This way spellcasters can become legendary for their spells.

[Thos]

I certainly think that HARP has plenty of spells! As has already been mentioned, the scaling options really make the difference! I also love the rules for creating spells from CoM! I think that the magic system as a whole really sets HARP apart as superior to so many other games.