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Gamer's Corner => General Discussion => Topic started by: Colin-ICE on November 14, 2013, 07:14:36 AM
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This looks so awesome: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/alien-vs-predator-the-miniatures-game (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/alien-vs-predator-the-miniatures-game)
but I know if I sign up to back it, I'll be constantly on kickstarter spending all my money or the hundreds of awesome things they have on there.
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I feel the same way: too many good projects out there.
Still it has been a grand addition to the hobby. Sort of a pre-sale on just an idea. Shows what people like and don't like and will pay for and won't pay for.
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Yeah... I recently found a few ones that I had to buy into. Fortunately they'd all paid off for me (i.e. I'm getting equal to or more than I put into them).
This is one of the more interesting/cool ones: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1118278224/galaxy-of-trian (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1118278224/galaxy-of-trian)
It's over in about 14-15 hours (and you might want to buy in if it looks interesting to you - cause it's surpassed ALL it's stretch goals, somewhere around 500%). Basically it's a bit like a space themed Carassonne with some extra mechanics to make it a little more interesting.
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Great, now I've backed that.
It does look awesome though!
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You probably don't want me to tell you about Slaughterball then. :)
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That also looks awesome but to get what I'd want I'd have to pledge a bit too much for my liking. I only skimmed it but it looks a lot like blood bowl, I'll just play that.
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You're right, and I suspect Blood Bowl is more interesting anyhow. I have the PC version of it and it seems like it's got a decent amount more to it.
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I love the PC version. It was a little buggy but otherwise awesome. Also, I could NEVER win a game using the normal turn based mode, I only ever stood a chance when playing real time.
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Yeah, the damn thing freezes up a decent amount. I always played turn based and did fairly well unless I really cranked the difficulty up. Course, I tended to play pretty aggressively. Usually by the end of the game my opponent couldn't field a full team anymore...
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Ok, I need to start staying away from Kickstarter too. At least until the VISA is paid off (although... that should be soon!). I'll try to limit myself to very high quality looking board-game projects (that aren't simply pre-orders like Reaper) I think. Honestly not too many of those come up, but there's been a rash of them lately. I won't back anything that doesn't have a fully developed prototype and doesn't seem to have a reasonable grasp on what their manufacturing costs will be. Demo videos and independent reviews are a good sign too.
I've seen a couple really badly presented ones and I'm tempted to comment on them... but they don't need me critiquing them, that starts post wars too often. One guy pretty much just put up a photograph of him and his kids playing 'something' on his dining room table, said it incorporates parts of all the 'popular' games and is his 'dream game' but literally nothing else.
I want the miniatures from the AVP game, but I suspect they will be pretty costly based on what they wanted for the game itself. I might buy into the higher levels of the Slaughterball if it does well (unlocks a lot of extras - I like that it can be a four-way game) but AVP is just too rich for my blood. The AVP guys also seem to have some integrity issues based on some of the comments I've seen. i.e. now that the kickstarter was WILDLY successful, but is over, they are allowing people to pre-order Kickstarter "exclusives" off their website. I don't look at it as a collectable, so I couldn't get myself too worked up about that, but it is a little duplicitous.
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I agree about prototypes. Especially for games, you should be able to have a working prototype and tested rules. Production can be expensive, so Kickstarter is a great way to get the funds, but game play should already be solid, you should have thoroughly tested it out. This also applies for everything else. If you haven't made a working prototype, why should I trust you will be able to make the actual product? If you can't be bothered to make a good video or good photos (I'll take either, photos preferred), why should I believe you have the focus and drive to get the actual product finished?
That said, I spend way too much time on Kickstarter. Which has gotten me many cool things I would not otherwise have. Even if Cthulhu Wars is about a year late now. (I don't really mind, as long as they keep sending progress reports and photos showing where we are at.)
Here's one that might be interesting to anyone doing miniatures work: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2023606288/basius-2-the-deluxe-stamp-pad-terrain-tile-and-bas (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2023606288/basius-2-the-deluxe-stamp-pad-terrain-tile-and-bas)
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That does look very sweat.
A few friends on mine are on the home stretch of going to kick starter for their card game as they are just waiting on the initial lump of art. I will post more after asking the guys at ICE if it is ok when the time comes.
MDC
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This one is ending soon -- more miniatures stuff, but mostly items to fill out the scenery of a dungeon this time. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1207385459/twisting-catacombs-miniature-dungeon-scenery (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1207385459/twisting-catacombs-miniature-dungeon-scenery)
I'm totally not posting it to get a free item. ::)
And then there's https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/616900694/24x24-wireless-power-board-game-terrain-and-miniat?ref=users (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/616900694/24x24-wireless-power-board-game-terrain-and-miniat?ref=users)
I can't justify the price, but so amazing....
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Wow, I am not sold on the LED's but then I do have the time right now to take a good look at the info.
MDC
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Nice. I'm going in on the first one, should complete out my collection of bits and pieces to put together building interiors. That second one is just getting too fancy for me, but I can totally see hard core Rebel Alliance players with money to burn spending a boatload in it.
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And with that I'm staying away from Kickstarter until after the holidays. Well, unless something REALLY FREAKING good comes along. Although, to be fair, one particular game took up about half of what I've spent on Kickstarter over the course of the year (assuming it hits it's goal... it needs something like almost $170k to fly - so we'll see).
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Which game?
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Are you sure you want to know? :)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/myling/privateers (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/myling/privateers)
It made great strides in it's first several days, but it seems to have stalled. I'm still on the fence about it, but am waiting to see some more detailed demo videos before I fully decide. (Bought in at something like $215 - which I can always cancel).
jdale is to blame for my second largest pledge!
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Blame shamelessly accepted!
My biggest pledge was for Cthulhu Wars, which still hasn't shipped although it's tantalizingly close now. So I guess I can't say anything about the cost of Privateers!
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I love tile laying games (Carcassonne for example) because of the re-playability, so that is a point for it. I really like how well Firefly integrated cards into a board game, so that's a point for it potentially. I like having games with a cooperative aspect, especially if it can be ignored if you want (we have one or two people who aren't as big of fans of 'beating the players'). Honestly I would almost expect to pay less for the game retail, however if it doesn't catch on (even after a successful Kickstarter) you'll never see it in retail. There are a number of games that that is why I decided to bid on them... you never know if they'll make it to retail.
For example, there is a game called "Length & Wit" that I'm in for $35 (early bird). It's a simple word game that you know 100% what you're getting. If you're a fan of Scrabble, or the Words With Friends app, you'll probably like it. Probably even more imo. It's very portable, so a great potential travel game (you could even play it on the airplane if you had something to roll the dice in). I'm not so sure you'd pay $40 (the non-early bird base game cost) in retail. If they keep the quality materials they are using now it probably would (maybe even more), but will the materials, if it made it to the big leagues, suffer for better production costs? If they did would is cost less as a result? The #1 reason I bid on it is you may never see it elsewhere and, even if it were cheaper, it may not be of the same quality level.
Mostly I pledge on games or game related stuff, but I've actually put in on a flashlight and a ring. I've got a far lower threshold for what I'll pay on those kinds of things though. A few things I just throw in $1-$5 pretty much as moral/promotional support if I really like the product but don't need it or don't want to spend what it would take to get what I want. Like the Slaughterball game... I like the looks of it, the materials are nice, and it's a local company, but I'd have to spend close to $200 to get what I want and I'm not convinced it'd get a lot of use in my gaming circle. It's kinda like the casual gamers version of Blood Bowl - and my group would probably rather play Blood Bowl.
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The pirate game looks good but they've just pulled the funding on it. Also it looks a bit too pricey for me. When they relaunch I'll take another look but £60 for a game that I've not played before is a bit too much for my taste.
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Yeah, I just saw that. Read through the explanation and apparently Kickstarter doesn't play well with other countries sometimes. I guess Amazon doesn't like the Kronar.
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I just found this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/magecompany/raid-and-trade (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/magecompany/raid-and-trade) it looks awesome and I want to pledge but I can't ever bring myself to buy a game that requires more than 2 players because I don't trust I'll be able to convince more than one person to play with me.
Sad face.
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At this rate no one will get any Christmas presents this year!
It does look awesome though: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/842251343/helvetia-cup-and-more (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/842251343/helvetia-cup-and-more)
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At this rate no one will get any Christmas presents this year!
Simple solution, just buy them something off Kickstarter. :)
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At this rate no one will get any Christmas presents this year!
Simple solution, just buy them something off Kickstarter. :)
"I got you this thing.... it might ship in April next year.... if everything goes right...."
I have given gifts from Kickstarter but you have to order way in advance and then be patient about when to actually give it.
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Yeah, I almost said something that, but it wouldn't have been as funny.
I'm not sure what annoys me more, the people who think they are buying a product off any old website or the companies that actually use it for that purpose *cough* reaper *cough*
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Create your own mini. Pretty nifty product if it does well.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1703677934/create-your-minis-3d-printed-miniatures (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1703677934/create-your-minis-3d-printed-miniatures)
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That is cool. I've been looking at trying Shade to convert Poser/Daz Studio figures into 3D-printable figures. But haven't quite gotten to it yet. Want to get a bunch of things ready at once, since Shade has a 30-day free trial...
This board game has a clever solution to the gifting problem. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/raez/cogztm-and-ludicrous-cogztm-free-international-shi (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/raez/cogztm-and-ludicrous-cogztm-free-international-shi) They will send out a PDF that prints and folds up into a gift box. (Picture in the 7th update.)
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I pledged for five minis which I'll use to replace the Omega Protocol team pieces. As much as I'd like to pledge the $185 level I want to see if they turn out well before I take the plunge.
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Uh oh... someone get the defibrillator. My bank account is going to go into cardiac arrest.
Like running city based adventures? Dwarven Forge is serving up a new platter of crack...
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dwarvenforge/dwarven-forges-city-builder-system (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dwarvenforge/dwarven-forges-city-builder-system)
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I looked at those and I'm underwhelmed. I don't want roofs in the way, blocking the view, and figures can't stand on them anyway (unless you attach the separate one-figure stands) so it's not like it's usable space for rooftop combats. Meanwhile, where the dungeons had simple pre-attached walls and floors, the buildings have separate walls, floors, and even separate corner posts, so it seems like it will take a lot more time to put together.
Still, I'm keeping an eye on it because I would not be surprised to see some good stuff come up in the stretch goals....
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I agree the rooftops will be almost completely useless to me, mainly because I'll construct buildings multiple tiles wide. I might even look into swapping pieces with other people in the future if I get them.
But the build-able buildings I completely love. We'd just pre-assemble scenes before the nights session started. I'd probably assemble upper stories off to the side or at least get some sheets of balsa wood to easily pick up the second story. I've looked at other solutions to this kind of table-top accessories (Miniature Building Authority for example) but, while they are technically cheaper on a one to one building basis, they are nowhere near as versatile and are more difficult to store... making the Dwarven Forge stuff a bigger cost and space savings in the long run.
I have a large amount of interior accessories already, easily enough to flesh out an entire Tavern/Inn with the proprietors living quarters built in/added on to the side. This will basically give me everything I'll ever need for urban and/or simple structure based (outpost, road-side inns or taverns) adventures. Once I start running the campaign I'm working on now there will be two particular buildings the players are in on a regular basis and this will fit those needs nicely.
Of course, I'm going to likely end up spending more on this one KS than I have on all the others combined. :o
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Brand new Kickstarter for gamemats that looks pretty cool. They are 8"/10" hexagonal and 8" square durable, writeable, and attach together using magnets. I'm tempted to drop $75 on it... but I'll eventually get a game table that has a drop in hex surface anyhow, so it's unlikely.
But, some here might very it really useful.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gamenightlife/gnl-mats?ref=category_newest (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gamenightlife/gnl-mats?ref=category_newest)
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Oh no! I just found this - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sodapopminiatures/ninja-all-stars
(https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sodapopminiatures/ninja-all-stars)
Also I was really excited about this - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/781219801/the-titan-series (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/781219801/the-titan-series) however, once I'd stopped salivating over the idea of having games delivered to my house every year for three years, I realised that it's actually not a great deal. It doesn't tell you enough about the game to warrant me backing it.
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I'm cutting myself off until I'm working again. Unless, you know, something truly spectacular comes up that I just can't live without.
I finally had one of the things happen that I knew would eventually annoy me. I can now order a game I backed on an online store for less than I backed it for on Kickstarter (by about 25%). I expected it to happen eventually. I'm sure it's going to happen with a couple of the others I backed. I may start dropping out of KS's that are wildly successful if I want to risk never seeing it on the 'shelf' (unless there's something I'm getting out of backing them that's worth it).
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I have just received my first ever successful kickstarter product and it looks immense. A board game called 'Galaxy of Trian'. I haven't played it yet but as I understand it, it is Settlers of Catan in Space.
As I was going through the list of backers, I saw one Corey Magel's name appear. Let me know what you think of it Corey.
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I suspect it has more in common with Carcassonne than Catan... but I'll let you know when I get it.