Topic: Access to how many Spell Lists?

[fluffi]

Hello,

How many "start" spell lists can i choose when i create a new proffession?
Do i have "access" to all Base-Lists? I think so.
Can i also choose closed and open spell lists, too?

It there a rule which describe this matter?
Something like: "At level 1 you have access to all your base-lists, 2 open (own realm) lists and 1 closed (own realm)"

Or is it all in the hand of the GM?

Thx you

[VladD]

for any spell caster profession, there are six base lists. The GM is free to device any combination of lists he thinks is reasonable for a new profession. Often the base spells are unique lists.
Afterwards the player may choose to learn open, closed, or evil lists.

Keep in mind the rules on spell picks:

the first 5 lists you pick spells from, the current level, cost 1x the listed cost. You may learn up to 3 spells, and sometimes less, depending on the DP cost. So a spell list that costs 3/3/3 will cost 3 for one spell, 6 for 2 spells and 9 for 3 spells.
The second 5 lists cost 2x listed costs that level. So a spell list costing 3/3/3 is for the 6th through 10th list you develop spells in: 6/6/6

This leads, usually to developing 15 lists to own level, because you can do that with only 1x costs.

Semi spell users, due to prohibitive costs, will mostly develop just their base lists, up to their own level.
Following the following scheme, they can keep that up for 1x costs:

lvl A: list 1 - 2 spells, 2 - 1 spell, 3 - 1, 4 - 1, 5 - 1, 6 - 0
Lvl A+1 : list 1 - 0 spells, 2 - 1 spell, 3 - 1, 4 - 1, 5 5- 1, 6 - 1

[jdale]

For a normal game, the only ones I would restrict would be the base lists of other professions, and the evil lists. Any of the others would be fair game.

[rdanhenry]

for any spell caster profession, there are six base lists.

They all get six automatic Base lists, but a Pure Spell-Caster (e.g., a Mentalist or Illusionist) will get an additional four Base lists selected from his realm's Open and Closed lists.

[markc]

for any spell caster profession, there are six base lists.

They all get six automatic Base lists, but a Pure Spell-Caster (e.g., a Mentalist or Illusionist) will get an additional four Base lists selected from his realm's Open and Closed lists.

+1.
 As a House Rule I give Semi's and extra base list, but that is a house rule.
MDC

[Marc R]

Semis rarely have enough DP for 6 lists, much less 10, so it's likely not going to cause much harm to allow them the extra 4.

[markc]

  As a House rule I have also reduced the DP cost of spell lists for Semi's. Which allows them to buy more lists. IMHO it has worked well.
MDC

[fluffi]

Thx you.

Summarization:

1.
You habe access to all Spell lists (own base, open & closed own realm).

2.
Pure-Spell users can have additional 4 base lists (choose from open & closed).
You have any book reference? Page?

3.
As long as you didn't lern more then 5 spells per level, you didn't have a problem with multiply DPs.

4.
Example for a Semi Spell user:
At Level 3 you can have for example:
4 Ranks in Spell List Base A
2 Ranks in Spell List Base B
1 Rank in Spell List Open A
2 Ranks in Spell List Closed A

All correct?

[markc]

All Correct.
 IIRC the quote you are looking for is under the descriptions of professions close to the beginning of the RMSS book.
MDC

[arakish]

And to further complicate things, you also use the availability guidelines.  Using such, it would be dependent upon whether the spell user (Pure, Hybrid, Semi, Non) could find the materials to study the list, practice the list.  Its in Spell Law, I just forget the section and page numbers.

rmfr

[VladD]

Thx you.

Summarization:

1.
You habe access to all Spell lists (own base, open & closed own realm).

Actually you have access to ALL spell lists, but at very prohibitive costs. Also the GM has a final say in this.

2.
Pure-Spell users can have additional 4 base lists (choose from open & closed).
You have any book reference? Page?

RMSS apparently allowed 4 extra baselists. I know RM2 allowed 4 for pures and 2 for Hybrids (I use that as a house rule in RMFRP), but the RMFRP book doesn't have the 4 extra lists, hence why I reinstated them. It specifically states:
"The Magician has six base lists. The full descriptions of
all the spells on these lists can be found in Appendix A-9.11
(p. 182-184). For a slightly higher development point cost,
he may also develop open and closed Essence spell lists. Full
descriptions of these lists can be found in Appendices A-9.9
& A-9.10 (p. 172-181)."

So it was a deviation from RMSS that not many people noticed

Perhaps I wouldn't have noticed if I had been with RMSS when it came out, but I was confined to D&D players and picked up RMFRP because it seemed the newest, best edition of RM.

3.
As long as you didn't lern more then 5 spells per level, you didn't have a problem with multiply DPs.

Actually you may develop, for a 1x cost, spells from 5 spell lists. As indicated by the Spell list DP table, it depends on the profession and which spell list you are learning from, how many you can develop. So a pure spell user may develop 3 spells, for 3 DP each from 5 spell lists: or 15 spells total. A semi spell user has 6/6/6 cost, so he can do the same as the pure spell user, but at double cost. Since a semi also needs some other skills; he is best of (in my view) developing his baselists, keeping pace with his level, following my development scheme. So he develops 5 base lists per lvl; 1 spell each, except for 1 spell list, which he takes 2 spells that level. He would rotate the spell list that he develops 2 in, so he can effectively develop 6 spells per level.

4.
Example for a Semi Spell user:
At Level 3 you can have for example:
4 Ranks in Spell List Base A
2 Ranks in Spell List Base B
1 Rank in Spell List Open A
2 Ranks in Spell List Closed A

It is a valid option, albeit ineffective.

All correct?

Sorry for reacting so late, but no...

[jdale]

RMSS apparently allowed 4 extra baselists. I know RM2 allowed 4 for pures and 2 for Hybrids (I use that as a house rule in RMFRP), but the RMFRP book doesn't have the 4 extra lists, hence why I reinstated them. It specifically states:
"The Magician has six base lists. The full descriptions of
all the spells on these lists can be found in Appendix A-9.11
(p. 182-184). For a slightly higher development point cost,
he may also develop open and closed Essence spell lists. Full
descriptions of these lists can be found in Appendices A-9.9
& A-9.10 (p. 172-181)."

So it was a deviation from RMSS that not many people noticed

Hmm, I didn't notice that. In fact on page 15 of RMFRP under Spell User Classification it says (last sentence of the paragraph) "In addition, pure spell users get to choose four extra base spell lists."

But that it's missing everywhere else suggests they meant to actually drop it.

[VladD]

hmmm ok: I thought I looked everywhere... but if its in, its in! But it certainly should have showed up say...in the profession descriptions, in the baselist descriptions and maybe even near some spell list DP cost table...