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Gamer's Corner => General Discussion => Topic started by: markc on July 30, 2011, 11:15:21 PM
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Thinking about some strange Zombie things and not a big fan of the junra (sp? Google did not help) I was wondering if people could provide some answers or comments.
1) If a Zombie loses its flesh in any way does it cease to exist? Or die? (I am going on the idea that just cutting off the flesh will not kill the Zombie and it takes more forceful ways to actually damage the Zombie)
1a) Normally only cutting off the head of a Zombie or shooting it in the head will kill it what about fire? Acid? (In both cases I guess you would have to get the head vs the body)
1b) Since it seems (I could be wrong) the head is the key would you model this? Only do damage on specific crit types? (ie a crit of B or higher does damage and everything less than that does nothing or no effect) Or maybe roll a location for every attack and a 80 or above on a D100 is an head hit.
Thanks
MDC
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Thinking about some strange Zombie things and not a big fan of the junra (sp? Google did not help) I was wondering if people could provide some answers or comments.
1) If a Zombie loses its flesh in any way does it cease to exist? Or die? (I am going on the idea that just cutting off the flesh will not kill the Zombie and it takes more forceful ways to actually damage the Zombie)
1a) Normally only cutting off the head of a Zombie or shooting it in the head will kill it what about fire? Acid? (In both cases I guess you would have to get the head vs the body)
1b) Since it seems (I could be wrong) the head is the key would you model this? Only do damage on specific crit types? (ie a crit of B or higher does damage and everything less than that does nothing or no effect) Or maybe roll a location for every attack and a 80 or above on a D100 is an head hit.
It would depend on your zombie type I guess. Are all zombies the same? I'm thinking voodoo zombies, typical RPG zombies (D&D, HARP, RM) and the military experiment gone wrong type zombies are 3 different monsters.
That said, I don't think #1 works. #1a - only if the head takes severe damage from acid or fire (as in practically burning off). A simple splash of acid for some flesh damage in my mind is not enough to stop it/"kill it". For #1b - haven't played with hit location since D&D 1e, since I don't play ICE systems - this is outside my expertise...
I think another option is disabling a zombie, that is chopping off both its legs and/or arms wouldn't stop a zombie from biting you if you stumbled on one, but if you avoid its proximity, it's effectively no longer a threat.
GP
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...not a big fan of the junra (sp? Google did not help)
"Genre", perhaps?
1) If a Zombie loses its flesh in any way does it cease to exist? Or die? (I am going on the idea that just cutting off the flesh will not kill the Zombie and it takes more forceful ways to actually damage the Zombie)
It depends on your rationale, your "game logic", for the existence of various kinds of undead. In short, is a zombie stripped of flesh an undead skeleton? What defines the difference?
1a) Normally only cutting off the head of a Zombie or shooting it in the head will kill it what about fire? Acid? (In both cases I guess you would have to get the head vs the body)
I'd guess that it's a matter of how severely you damage the brain.
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The Created Undead in RMC CM get into that a bit. . .RM undead regenerate.
So, unless you de-fleshed the zombie to make it skeletal, then destroyed the flesh permanently or locked it up in a box, it'd just re-build back to rotting corpse look.
The early types just come back together, so will look like a mass of rotting burger. . .as they advance type, the flesh re-builds progressively better, until the max type look like perfect, if pale people with rings under their insane eyes. . .along the way you get progressive versions. . .like the "flesh re-builds but skin doesn't" tattered looking types that'll eventually if they keep going and taking damage, end up skinless zombie types.
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An example of defining what is meant by "zombie" under the game logic...
If the zombie is a zombie through control by a spell, presumably it would remain a zombie until the spell's integrity failed or the body was so broken the spell has nothing to "attach to" (I presume this is the idea behind the "destroy every cell" approach). Fire, ice or lightning.
If it's a disease capable of "operating" the body after it dies, it's going to be subject to the limitations inherent in the body to a greater or lesser degree. For example, sever the muscles in the upper arm, the elbow on that arm can't bend (in one direction at least) because there is no muscle to apply leverage. Break the bone and it can't do much except dangle, as there's nothing for muscles to lever against.
Those are the main two rationales, the "fantasy zombie" and the "SF zombie".
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and then there's the gay zombie, that only eats Brians ;)