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Offline dutch206

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Demons in Rolemaster
« on: May 17, 2008, 11:27:58 PM »
I've always wanted to know this:  If RM has Elf-Demons and Man-Demons, why aren't there any Dwarf-Demons?
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2008, 12:05:41 AM »
dwarves are to hard headed to be demons
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2008, 12:50:42 AM »
Because even demons have taste, prefering the elegance of elves over the fatness of dwarves? Because anything under 4ft isnt intimidating, which is why there are no gnome or halfling demons either. or it may have something to do with the fact that dwarves are highly resistant to magic (well except channeling)
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2008, 01:11:21 AM »
Humans are also more flexible by nature, where as dwarves are all the same. Dwarves are all shaped like barrels, where as humans goes from the almost barrels shape of dwarves to the almost tall twiggy shape of elves.
The flexibility might follow humans as they are corrupted into demons.

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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2008, 05:06:50 AM »
Also Halfling-Demons are left out...  ;)
I believe that's because dwarves (and halflings) are usually less skilled in magic than elves and humans. Most racial-demons tend to be ex evil spell users, corrupted by evil magic. This would make dwarves-demons very rare, if not totally non-existant.
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2008, 05:11:26 AM »
 I do not know why but I can guess that it might have something to do with the games roots.

 I think that R. Defendis Echoes of Heaven setting has the above deamons.

 You might want to check it out or create your own based on the information you can gleam from the monster book. I think qulit a few people would like to see some new deamons to add to thier campaign.

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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2008, 06:36:17 AM »
I would have thought their tendencies toward greed and revenge would make Dwarves a natural candidate for hellish 'promotions'.  I think a dwarf demon would be a terror in combat.

A Halfling Demon?  What's it going to do, eat all your food and break your good china?
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2008, 07:12:19 AM »
Quote from: dutch206 on May 18, 2008, 06:36:17 AM
A Halfling Demon?  What's it going to do, eat all your food and break your good china?

Or keep you awake all night with unexpected parties...
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2008, 07:24:20 AM »
Quote from: dutch206 on May 18, 2008, 06:36:17 AM
A Halfling Demon?  What's it going to do, eat all your food and break your good china?

Or keep you awake all night with unexpected parties...
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2008, 12:47:02 PM »
Quote from: markc on May 18, 2008, 05:11:26 AM
I do not know why but I can guess that it might have something to do with the games roots.

I would think that this is the most accurate reason. MERP had a strong influence on things that were developed for Rolemaster.

Corrupted Men and Elves becoming demons is part of that mythos (i.e. the Nine, etc..)

And since the dwarves were not corrupted in the same manner as humans, they didn't get made into demons.

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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2008, 06:38:17 PM »
Quote from: Arioch on May 18, 2008, 07:24:20 AM
Quote from: dutch206 on May 18, 2008, 06:36:17 AM
A Halfling Demon?  What's it going to do, eat all your food and break your good china?

Or keep you awake all night with unexpected parties...

and the TALES, gawd the incessant telling of TALES. Make them STOP, Make them STOP!!!! AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2008, 08:16:57 PM »
Quote from: Rasyr on May 18, 2008, 12:47:02 PM

And since the dwarves were not corrupted in the same manner as humans, they didn't get made into demons.


Or the (greedy) dwarves are demons and pass unnoticed ?
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2008, 08:57:18 PM »
Quote from: Rasyr on May 18, 2008, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: markc on May 18, 2008, 05:11:26 AM
I do not know why but I can guess that it might have something to do with the games roots.

I would think that this is the most accurate reason. MERP had a strong influence on things that were developed for Rolemaster.

Corrupted Men and Elves becoming demons is part of that mythos (i.e. the Nine, etc..)

And since the dwarves were not corrupted in the same manner as humans, they didn't get made into demons.

This was where I went with it, though I think it had more to do with a favoritism for men and elves than anything else. The dwarves were definately slighted in LotR, and as hobbits are basically permanent human children J.R.R. Tolkein probably couldn't bear to make any demon halflings.
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2008, 09:18:49 PM »
I just don't think the Powers that be (Suaron) ever really cared about the Halflings.

Golem is what I could see as a "Demon" halfling result
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2008, 01:27:35 AM »
 I thought Man and Elf Demons were always mortals that delved into demonic magics and such. This caused them to slowly become attuned to "hell" so when they perished thats where they went. i.e. to their gawds.
 Dwarfs and Halflings arent sucepitable to this temptation so dont get the neccairy taint.
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2008, 08:28:43 AM »
I was thinking of something along the lines of the Northumberland 'Duergar' mentioned in English fairy stories from the 19th century. 
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2008, 11:09:12 AM »
Quote from: PiXeL01 on May 18, 2008, 12:50:42 AM
Because even demons have taste, prefering the elegance of elves over the fatness of dwarves? Because anything under 4ft isnt intimidating, which is why there are no gnome or halfling demons either. or it may have something to do with the fact that dwarves are highly resistant to magic (well except channeling)
hmm, I have thoughts of intimidating shorter beings from pop culture/fiction.  The alien larvae/pupae that come out of your chest in alien comes to mind, Alien abductions by greys and a homunculous that sit on your chest while you sleep (both possibly caused by night paralysis), The half-life head crabs were pretty scary as well.
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2008, 11:34:41 AM »
Quote from: PiXeL01 on May 18, 2008, 12:50:42 AM
Because even demons have taste, prefering the elegance of elves over the fatness of dwarves? Because anything under 4ft isnt intimidating, which is why there are no gnome or halfling demons either. or it may have something to do with the fact that dwarves are highly resistant to magic (well except channeling)

Sontaran's are short and look like a talking baked potato but I digress...

What has puzzled me is why there are elf-demons?  They are already near deities, long lived and usually quite powerful so what advantage would and elf have for becoming a demon?  Besides, I really can't see what demon lord would want his abyss smelling like lavendar.

Now, make a 'dwarven hang over demon', or perhaps 'dwarf with a demonic hangover', and that could indeed be scary.
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Re: Demons in Rolemaster
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2008, 07:10:23 AM »
I think mandemons exist because they are easy to corrupt.

Elfdemons might be hard to achive, but carries the important benefit that they live longer than dwarves. Devote tons of resources to make a demon that will die in hundred years or so is surely waste of money.

We could also note that there is not many demonic traits missing from dwarves before they turn as unpleasant as demon. Short, uggly, smelly, beardy, violent, greedy...not much room for improvement.
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