Topic: Loremaster spel lsit question (comp II page 60)

[Warl]

Yes, actually, Some one is playing a Sage in my game.

On this spell list there are 2 spells: Organize Knowledge and Retrieve Knowledge.

Neither of these spells require Spell points and their duration is constant.

Does this mean they are permanent? they are instant spells. So When does the spell end or how long does it last?

Is there a newer version of these spells in RMSS that better define them?

[OLF, i.e. Olf Le Fol]

Yes, actually, Some one is playing a Sage in my game.

I pity you, as it's IMO an incredibly powerful profession. 

Does this mean they are permanent?

I do play them as such, being constantly in effect and lasting permanently until an effect dispels them.

So When does the spell end or how long does it last?

The way I play it, the Sage only needs to successfully cast the spell once; then it's constantly in effect and lasting permanently until an effect dispels it, in effect granting the Sage a permanent +20 in Reasoning and Memory.

Is there a newer version of these spells in RMSS that better define them?

[Warl]

I agree it is a powerful profession, and I am glad to see some one take something other than a destructive profession.

Basically permeates until dispelled is the way I read them as well. Thought about them being cancelled on sleep.  And the thought that they take no power points was a bit odd.

[yammahoper]

RMSS kept the Seer (in Mentalism Companion) but lost those spells.

[Voriig Kye]

The sage became both a profession AND a training package in RMFRP.
The sage is a non spell user, with low costs and good bonuses in Lore, a kind of Bard without the magic.
The training package includes a spell list that grants a watered down version of the original powers from RM2.

[yammahoper]

I like the Training Package list dealing with preserving books.  I have used it several times as I like bookish spell users.

[OLF, i.e. Olf Le Fol]

In RM2, that role was assigned to the Scholar.

[Marrethiel]

We use those Sage spells in our game, the GM has ruled that they are dispellable and count as active magic for the purposes of detection via spells and power perception. So they count as "noisey" but he also allows extra devs from them.